Late Game Fouling

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by muxbule

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

I will frequently (50% of the games in which such a situation occurs) remind them to "keep making basketball plays."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by muxbule

For late game management and when the opportunity presents itself (like coming out of a timeout) how many of you will go to the teams huddle that is trailing and as they break remind them if they are going to begin fouling make them basketball fouls. Not sure my wording is 100% but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Nope, not my job to coach the teams.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I will frequently (50% of the games in which such a situation occurs) remind them to "keep making basketball plays."

That's a great phrase bob; consider it stolen.

[doubleringer]

Along the same lines, when we are in an obvious fouling situation, my crew talks about making sure we get the first foul, because if you don't get the first one, the second attempt to foul is usually going to be ugly.

[bmdwterp]

Is it legal for the coach to say "Give the Foul" or "Foul!"

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bmdwterp

Is it legal for the coach to say "Give the Foul" or "Foul!"

Yes.

If a team is fouling at the end of the game, unless its over the top, and if the kid was borderline intentional I remind them to make plays for the ball. If not then I dont need to say anything, most kids and coaches at the varsity level know this.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by bmdwterp

Is it legal for the coach to say "Give the Foul" or "Foul!"

Yes.

I don't call 3-second-violations just cause the coach asks for them.

Seriously, that used to be an interpretation - thankfully, it no longer exists. Judge the play on its merits.

[btaylor64]

I have said this at least once in another thread, but I believe the "bear hug" done in the right way is perfectly fine. The fouler is just wanting you, as the official, to know that he is trying to commit a foul and sometimes, especially at the HS level, for whatever reason, alot of us don't think that repetitive touching of a player is a foul so they then go to the bear hug. If we know what the team's objective is (to foul) then any amount of contact should be deemed as such. There is no need to referee with purity here. They want a foul, so just give them one as soon as contact occurs.

After saying that though, you also have to referee the way the boss wants you to. If he says that the bear hug is intentional, then the bear hug is intentional, no IFs ANDs or BUTs about it!

I also personally don't like the terminology used for an intentional foul, but if i could understand what the NFHS was saying i could apply it. What is an "ADVANTAGEOUS POSITION" anyway. Is a kid, curled up with the ball, in any more of an "advantageous position" than the defender? just a question for thought...

[Adam]

Btaylor, you couldn't be more wrong.

1. The bear hug is a classic intentional foul.
2. I'm okay with calling a quick foul here, if the offense is letting it happen. If, however, the offense is actually playing and trying to avoid the foul, make the defense commit an actual foul. Don't reward them for sloppy play.
3. Advantageous position would be the player going for an uncontested layup who gets pushed from behind. Or a kic about to break free when he gets held by the defender behind him.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

If we know what the team's objective is (to foul) then any amount of contact should be deemed as such. There is no need to referee with purity here. They want a foul, so just give them one as soon as contact occurs.

Why does your definition of foul change in this situation? If you call a foul for "any amount of contact", aren't you directly contradicting 4-27-1? Aren't you penalizing the offense by allowing the defense to accomplish what they want (stopping the clock), without doing what they need to do, by rule, to stop the clock?

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by doubleringer

Along the same lines, when we are in an obvious fouling situation, my crew talks about making sure we get the first foul, because if you don't get the first one, the second attempt to foul is usually going to be ugly.

I always remember an end of the game situation where we were behind, and fouling "on purpose". My guy fouled a kid two or three times, no call, then out of frustration, pushed the kid. Intentional foul. Thanks, ref!

[mick]

Due to an end of game situation a few years back, I called a foul [on the *Stud*] that didn't need to be called. It was his 5th, and he didn't want it.
Since then, I only call real fouls.

Originally Posted by mick

Due to an end of game situation a few years back, I called a foul [on the *Stud*] that didn't need to be called. It was his 5th, and he didn't want it.
Since then, I only call real fouls.

Per NBA/NCAA Big dogs:

"You have to know TIME, SCORE & FOULS ."

"You have to have your antenna up & be mentally ready."

[Rich]

http://www.gpboa.org/Articles/Watching%20Works.pdf

The author is a friend of mine.

[mick]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

http://www.gpboa.org/Articles/Watching%20Works.pdf

The author is a friend of mine.

Good, on both counts.


[ Worked in your state [Hurley] last night and Sammy was on the mic. ]

[BillyMac]

Last Two Minutes:
Let’s not put the whistles away in the last two minutes: That wouldn’t be consistent with the way we’ve been calling the game. We’re not calling anything in the last two minutes if we haven’t already called it earlier in the game, unless it’s so blatant that it can’t be ignored. If the game dictates it, let the players win or lose the game at the line. We don’t want to be the ones who decide the game by ignoring obvious fouls just to get the game over. If the winning team is just holding the ball and is willing to take the free throws after strategic fouls, then let’s call the foul immediately, so the ballhandler doesn’t get hit harder to draw a whistle. Let’s make sure there is a play on the ball by the defense. If there’s no play on the ball, if the defense grabs the jersey, or pushes from behind, or bear hugs the offensive player, we should consider an intentional foul. These are not basketball plays and should be penalized as intentional.