My first (high school) ejection

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Interesting timing....

I just got an email from the AD whining about how my two T's cost his girls the game.

I referred his comments to our commissioner without further discussion.

I guess we know what your partner was talking to the AD about after the game.

BTW, in your report to the state (assuming you do one for ejects), I'd be sure and mention both the coach meeting you at the locker room and the AD sending you the email. I'd include the email, too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

We fill out a report and send it to our commissioner, who sends it to the state.

The AD did tell me in his email, though, that they had already decided to pull the coach for the next game, though.

Gee, why? If it was your fault....

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

And if you notice, I said the same thing you did - the 3 W's: wremind, warn, whack.

Of course we don't throw out T's for the coach who is a step or two outside the box, especially before I've had a chance to remind them about it. And I would be curious as to the context of your partner's comment about "T's slow down the game". Can you help remind a coach to stay in the box instead of giving a T the first time? Sure. A T in that case would slow down the game. Can you help communicate with a coach and address their concerns instead of letting them vent to a point where it is hard to ignore their behavior? Sure. Sometime communication skills can help difuse a situation that would otherwise have to be addressed. But I hope they do not mean "avoid giving a T", even if the situation warrants.

Well that was sort of what I took out of it...in fact that was about the extent of his pre-game, so there is your context. The two of them are regular partners, so they of course were on the same page..I tried to raise a few situations just to get a feel for what I was dealing with, but I wasn't going to force the guy to do a "thorough" pre-game...game actually went great, maybe we were lucky?

But your note above about reminding a coach to stay in the box instead of a T "the first time". If you are running by and say "coach please mind the box". Would you consider that a warning as if the next time he is a step out you are going to pop him? Or would you give that same "warning" again?

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I guess we know what your partner was talking to the AD about after the game.

BTW, in your report to the state (assuming you do one for ejects), I'd be sure and mention both the coach meeting you at the locker room and the AD sending you the email. I'd include the email, too.

I mentioned both to my commissioner, who handles sending the report to the state. He's told me multiple times that he's got my back. He's a good commish.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

I tried to raise a few situations just to get a feel for what I was dealing with, but I wasn't going to force the guy to do a "thorough" pre-game...game actually went great, maybe we were lucky?

Maybe you were lucky. But you did the right thing in trying to open some sort of pre-game dialog.

Originally Posted by slow whistle

But your note above about reminding a coach to stay in the box instead of a T "the first time". If you are running by and say "coach please mind the box". Would you consider that a warning as if the next time he is a step out you are going to pop him? Or would you give that same "warning" again?

It's usually an escalating process. The first time might be a simple reminder as you go past, "Coach help us out by staying in your box." Or, "Coach, remember what those lines are for?" as you give them a little wink. The next time might be a little louder, so more people are aware, "Coach, we need you to stay in your box." That way, the next time it is obvious as to why the T was given. Of course, depending on the situation, I might skip step 1 or 2.

I've also tossed a coach for simply coaching his team. It happened to be after his 1st T, and he had been reminded about needing to be seated. I almost ran into him as I came up the court, so it was an "easy" T. He wasn't happy about being ejected in a close game, but he didn't have a real complaint because it was obvious how the situation evolved. I'm sure the next time it happens, he will remember to stay seated. I'm sure there are officials that will give multiple reminders, in order to "avoid the T". But I'm not sure how I can expain that to the other coach who is following the rules.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Maybe you were lucky. But you did the right thing in trying to open some sort of pre-game dialog.


It's usually an escalating process. The first time might be a simple reminder as you go past, "Coach help us out by staying in your box." Or, "Coach, remember what those lines are for?" as you give them a little wink. The next time might be a little louder, so more people are aware, "Coach, we need you to stay in your box." That way, the next time it is obvious as to why the T was given. Of course, depending on the situation, I might skip step 1 or 2.

I've also tossed a coach for simply coaching his team. It happened to be after his 1st T, and he had been reminded about needing to be seated. I almost ran into him as I came up the court, so it was an "easy" T. He wasn't happy about being ejected in a close game, but he didn't have a real complaint because it was obvious how the situation evolved. I'm sure the next time it happens, he will remember to stay seated. I'm sure there are officials that will give multiple reminders, in order to "avoid the T". But I'm not sure how I can expain that to the other coach who is following the rules.

Agree with you completely following the first tech, this one is pretty cut and dry. If he is up after he has already gotten the 1st there is really not much wiggle room in my opinion...and you bring up a good point, if there is one coach who is taking liberties that our crew is allowing and the other coach decides to call us on it (which I can't remember the last time this happened), then I will definitely pay closer attention and the first warning to the offending coach will likely be the only....that said the coach who decides to speak up better be minding his own p's & q's as well...but again this whole thing to me falls under game management which I don't believe there is a "right answer" to...but it is also something that I know I can always improve and am always working on...

[deecee]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

But I'm not sure how I can expain that to the other coach who is following the rules.

I've seen this on the board a couple times already, and I dont know how rampant this is where others officiate, but I am yet to hear from an opposing coach about the other coach "getting away" with anything? So why would you explain to a coach who isn't asking a question?

Most of us joke, but its mostly true, that most coaches don't know the rules. Why would it be any different here?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by deecee

I've seen this on the board a couple times already, and I dont know how rampant this is where others officiate, but I am yet to hear from an opposing coach about the other coach "getting away" with anything? So why would you explain to a coach who isn't asking a question?

Most of us joke, but its mostly true, that most coaches don't know the rules. Why would it be any different here?

The point is, if you follow the rules, you have the best defense for the people who count - your partners and your assignor. Perhaps you get "lucky" and the other coach doesn't know the rule. But if they do, you've put yourself in an undefensible position if you allow something that is clearly written as not allowed. Why take the chance?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fiasco

Whack!

Then I had to wait about a minute for him to take his sweet time getting off the court as he stared me down the whole way.

My partner said after the game he had my back and was all ready to T him up but that I just blew my whistle first.

Right.

A good partner, even if you got to it first, would have still blown their whistle if only to emphasize the call and its correctness.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

In transition & whenever there's a whistle, in addition to watching the players on the floor I like to sneak a peek at the clock, table & benches, and coaches.
Developing good game awareness has really helped me with correcting timing issues before everyone starts screaming, bringing my subs before the horn goes, granting coaches TO requests before they lose it.

GOOD POINT!!! I use that technique also - especially during a dead ball. It's a good management tool to head off potential problems later in the game.