Inbounds hand off rules

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

OP never mentions his problem with official is due to extended huddle. In a kids game, survey the floor quickly and calmly hand ball to inbounder. I've had experience with guys who can't wait for game to end for a variety of reasons, just a stupid kid's game, cutting it too close for next games etc. who jam it in some 12 year old girl's hands the split second she steps out of bounds. I'm not saying this happened but that's my take on what poster is trying to convey.

Whether he mentioned the feelings of the official or not, it not the point to what I posted. The teams by rule are supposed to get out of the timeout huddle at an appropriate time. That is a fact whether he knew to mention it or not.

Secondly, you are only surmising whether the officials were in a hurry or not. I have seen officials give the ball to the player because they do not wait to make sure their partners are ready. I did not read anything that said why this happen other than the OPer did not know the rule. I was just giving a reason why this might have happen. I have no idea the motives and would not speculate on something like that just reading a play on the board. It does not matter if it is a kid's game or the state championship for high school. The bottom line is getting your kids out of the huddle and you will not have to worry about someone not being ready.

Peace

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Whether he mentioned the feelings of the official or not, it not the point to what I posted. The teams by rule are supposed to get out of the timeout huddle at an appropriate time. That is a fact whether he knew to mention it or not.

Secondly, you are only surmising whether the officials were in a hurry or not. I have seen officials give the ball to the player because they do not wait to make sure their partners are ready. I did not read anything that said why this happen other than the OPer did not know the rule. I was just giving a reason why this might have happen. I have no idea the motives and would not speculate on something like that just reading a play on the board. It does not matter if it is a kid's game or the state championship for high school. The bottom line is getting your kids out of the huddle and you will not have to worry about someone not being ready.

Peace

The coach's situation was NOT caused by his team coming out of time outs slowly. The situations were just normal designated spot throw-ins during the game. Official calls "Blue" and points to spot outside lane line. Blue players are scrambled in various positions in the front court when the ball went out of play. The Blue team inbounder got to the spot quicker than other Blue players got to their spots for the inbounds play. The official quickly handed the ball to the Blue team inbounder. By the time the Blue team players got to their positions, either 5-second calls or rushed passes were the result.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

The coach's situation was NOT caused by his team coming out of time outs slowly. The situations were just normal designated spot throw-ins during the game. Official calls "Blue" and points to spot outside lane line. Blue players are scrambled in various positions in the front court when the ball went out of play. The Blue team inbounder got to the spot quicker than other Blue players got to their spots for the inbounds play. The official quickly handed the ball to the Blue team inbounder. By the time the Blue team players got to their positions, either 5-second calls or rushed passes were the result.

This is the inbounding team's problem, then. I'll make sure the defense is in position if the teams are out or coming out, but once someone is in position to receive the ball, I'm blowing the whistle and handing or bouncing it to the thrower-in.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

The coach's situation was NOT caused by his team coming out of time outs slowly. The situations were just normal designated spot throw-ins during the game. Official calls "Blue" and points to spot outside lane line. Blue players are scrambled in various positions in the front court when the ball went out of play. The Blue team inbounder got to the spot quicker than other Blue players got to their spots for the inbounds play. The official quickly handed the ball to the Blue team inbounder. By the time the Blue team players got to their positions, either 5-second calls or rushed passes were the result.

It is still not our responsibility to make sure everyone is in place before we hand the ball. And if a coach has a problem with this fact, then they need to teach their players to hurry up.

I was not there (and neither were you) and I have no idea if this was because of what the coach expects or the official was too fast. Either way it goes, when the throw-in team is ready, that means I am ready if my partners are also ready. I might wait a second or two, but not waiting for everyone to run around and try to figure it out. Sounds like the coach needs to tell their players to get into position quicker. The official did not throw the ball away. And for God's sake, what else do you expect to happen at the 4th and 5th grade levels? Those games are not void of turnovers.

I still have not read anything that suggests the official did anything wrong.


Peace

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is still not our responsibility to make sure everyone is in place before we hand the ball. And if a coach has a problem with this fact, then they need to teach their players to hurry up.

I was not there (and neither were you) and I have no idea if this was because of what the coach expects or the official was too fast. Either way it goes, when the throw-in team is ready, that means I am ready if my partners are also ready. I might wait a second or two, but not waiting for everyone to run around and try to figure it out. Sounds like the coach needs to tell their players to get into position quicker. The official did not throw the ball away. And for God's sake, what else do you expect to happen at the 4th and 5th grade levels? Those games are not void of turnovers.

I still have not read anything that suggests the official did anything wrong.


Peace

Don't misunderstand, I am NOT saying that the official necessarily did anything wrong. The coach has been given multiple options to fix this situation: delay the inbounder getting to the "spot" slightly while the other players get in position or put a sub at the table.

At the same time, I have seen officials in such a rush to get the game finished that they do not allow a reasonable amount of time for the team to prepare for the inbounds (NOTE: not an "appreciable" amount of time).

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

At the same time, I have seen officials in such a rush to get the game finished that they do not allow a reasobable amount of time for the team to prepare for the inbounds (NOTE: not an "appreciable" amount of time).

Once again a big assumption on your part.

Where I am from, most experienced officials would not be doing these games at all. The officials that would be doing these games do not have enough experience to work much else or they are not going to be a lot of other kinds of games afterwards. So if we just took what I have experienced, the official probably did not have enough seasoning to either wait or they were doing what they always did and it was never a problem before. That is why to assume anything else, outside of what the coach told us is really silly a futile. We were not there, we do not know what the officials was about or the situations.

But considering this is a coach at this level and asked us "if there was a rule" that tells me that likely the official was not largely at fault, but the coach did not understand what is going on (as what usually takes place with coaches at this level). And that is really the case when you are not expecting 4th and 5th graders (the basketball is bigger than they are) to not turnover the ball or to not make mistakes and you are blaming it on the official who simply gave the ball to the thrower. I do not know about you, but I have not seen a lot of well played basketball at that level.

Peace

[OHBBREF]

During the off season and even some during the season I still work some of the kids ball down at that level, from recreation to, the traveling leagues.
Most officials give an ample opportunity for teams to get set. However most officials also have little patience for lack of hustle or knowledge of what is going on on the court.

If the team is completely discombobulated (highly technical term meaning confused and disoriented) no amount of time is going to help the kids get in position, and a s soon as a player is in position to get the ball the official is going to put the ball at the disposal of the thrower.

If the throw in is at one end of the floor and the players are walking around with no intention of getting to the ball this week the official is going to put the ball on the floor.

So I would recommend a couple of things hustle into position and get the play called, the n have the thrower step into position – do not stand there for two seconds before calling break, and design simple plays to get the ball inbounds that do not take three - four seconds to develop just in case it is close and you have to get the ball in bounds quickly.

Even the in and out guys – rarely put the ball in play so fast that they end up with a violation because their goal is to keep the clock running all day long they do not want another delay.

So while the official might be quick coach, you just have to work a little quicker.

[bball_lurker]

First off, this is a great place to learn the rules. Right now I'm just a bball dad, but have done a (very) little reffing, and also coached.

I've had the opposite problem, of the ball being handed off too slow. Around 6-7th grade, teams started pressing, and we would want to get the ball in quickly before the opposition could really set up a press. And consistently the ref would hold the ball in his hand, and wait until the other team was set up. Very frustrating, but nothing you can do. I wanted to tell my players to grab the ball and inbound it, but figured that wouldn't go over too well.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by CMHCoachNRef

Blue players are scrambled in various positions in the front court when the ball went out of play. The Blue team inbounder got to the spot quicker than other Blue players got to their spots for the inbounds play.

Sounds pretty simple to me. Coach should either tell the inbounder to slow down or the other players to speed up in getting to their spots. Sure doesn't sound like the official did anything wrong.