Travel?

Forgive me if this has been discussed before.

A1 has control of the ball and is falling to the floor but lands on B1 (who is on the ground) but never touches the floor. B3 creates a held ball situation by grabbing the ball.

What do we have, travel or held ball?

[deecee]

i dont see why we wouldnt have a travel -- why would the fact that a player is already on the ground not make it a travel?

i can already see the player control fouls coming out here -- "but the guy on the floor had LGP"

Originally Posted by deecee

i dont see why we wouldnt have a travel -- why would the fact that a player is already on the ground not make it a travel?

My thoughts as well but while discussing with another official, we looked at the rule & it says a player holding the ball may not fall to the floor . In this sitch the player fell on another player, never touching the floor.

Originally Posted by deecee

i can already see the player control fouls coming out here -- "but the guy on the floor had LGP"

B1 on the floor had nothing to do with A1 falling. Lets say B1 tripped over a volleyball line.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by deecee

why would the fact that a player is already on the ground not make it a travel?

if the pivot foot didn't hit the floor again ...
nor any other part of their body except the hand or ball ever hit the floor ...?


think about it it will come to you ...

[jevaque]

if A1 tripped on B1 and fell on him then its a blocking foul on B1, B1 does not have LGP

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jevaque

if A1 tripped on B1 and fell on him then its a blocking foul on B1, B1 does not have LGP

Not if B1 isn't moving (NFHS rules). If he's not moving, he doesn't need LGP and it can't be a block.

[Adam]

BTW, I do not have a travel on the original play. The floor is key here.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by jevaque

if A1 tripped on B1 and fell on him then its a blocking foul on B1, B1 does not have LGP

In NCAA you would be correct; in Fed. you may not be correct. B1 may not have LGP, but B1 is still entitled to a spot on the floor and is not automatically responsible for the contact.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by jevaque

if A1 tripped on B1 and fell on him then its a blocking foul on B1, B1 does not have LGP

why does legal guarding position apply?

B1's position on the floor could be legal?

is it not A1's job to avoid contact with a defender who has a legal position on the floor?

[deecee]

So why doesn't the intent of the rule apply here? - when do we get to be lieteral and focus on the intent of rules?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by jevaque

if A1 tripped on B1 and fell on him then its a blocking foul on B1, B1 does not have LGP

Not true.

Under NFHS rules, every player is entitled to a spot on the floor as long as he gained the spot legally.

A defender does not have to have LGP to be fouled.

[jevaque]

so if B1 is laying under the basket and A1 goes up for a shot and lands on B1 what do you guys have?????

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jevaque

so if B1 is laying under the basket and A1 goes up for a shot and lands on B1 what do you guys have?????

PC unless the ball goes in the basket prior to contact, in which case it's just an injury time out for A1 and or B1.

[jevaque]

If A1 dives on the floor for a loose ball mishandles it and he loses it stops sliding then B2 also going for the ball trips over A1. what ya got??

[jevaque]

who all agrees with this???

Originally Posted by jevaque View Post
so if B1 is laying under the basket and A1 goes up for a shot and lands on B1 what do you guys have?????

PC unless the ball goes in the basket prior to contact, in which case it's just an injury time out for A1 and or B1.