can a kick ball be a T?

[mutantducky]

I think the simple answer is yes. just wanted to check. Haven't seen this before. Say a player is beat and makes a wild kick to stop a pass. Or maybe risking others with the kick even though he wasn't trying to, kind of like a high stick in hockey. Or if they miss the ball completely, still call something there? I'm thinking you don't' want anything dangerous to happen or continue so a T could be warranted.

[JRutledge]

A kicked ball is a violation. Why would you go looking for something else?

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I think the simple answer is yes. just wanted to check. Haven't seen this before. Say a player is beat and makes a wild kick to stop a pass. Or maybe risking others with the kick even though he wasn't trying to, kind of like a high stick in hockey. Or if they miss the ball completely, still call something there? I'm thinking you don't' want anything dangerous to happen or continue so a T could be warranted.

It could be, but I don't think it is in any of your examples.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It could be, but I don't think it is in any of your examples.

Yep, if I saw someone intentionally "soccer kick" a ball across a gym or into the stands he might just earn himself a capital T!

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

A kicked ball is a violation. Why would you go looking for something else?

Rut has it covered I am not sure what you are looking for here?

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Say a player is beat and makes a wild kick to stop a pass. Or maybe risking others with the kick even though he wasn't trying to, kind of like a high stick in hockey. Or if they miss the ball completely, still call something there? I'm thinking you don't' want anything dangerous to happen or continue so a T could be warranted.

just throwing out a leg to stop the ball is not a violation - they have to contact the ball - now if the player misses the ball and actually kicks someone - then we are talking about something different entirely and it wouldn't be a kick ball. However - doubt that you could come up with a T here if the player was going for the ball, maybe intentional (exessive contact)
or something of that nature.

There might be one situation and I can not even imagine it happening where actually kciking the ball might result in a T, that would be someone taking several steps and kicking a ball into the stands or down the court similar to soccer player kicking a loose ball in the field, but the T would not be for a kicked ball.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Say a player is beat and makes a wild kick to stop a pass.

Violation

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Or maybe risking others with the kick even though he wasn't trying to, kind of like a high stick in hockey.

No contact = no foul, unless the kick was flagrant. If there's contact, then I'd probably just have a personal foul.

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Or if they miss the ball completely, still call something there?

No

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I'm thinking you don't' want anything dangerous to happen or continue so a T could be warranted.

I can't think of any kick ball that would result in a T. Kick ball is always a violation. If you want something more, then it ceases to be a kick ball and becomes a technical foul (i.e. unsportsmanlike conduct - kicking the ball down court instead of handing it to official), or flagrant (intentionally kicking a player, or kicking the ball directly at another player).

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

No contact = no foul, unless the kick was flagrant.

Please explain that one, flagrant with no contact?

I know it is semantics but if you call anything else it is not a kicked ball - IMHO if it is a kicked ball that is it - if you have something else it might be a result of the action of kicking but not a kicked ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Please explain that one, flagrant with no contact?

I know it is semantics but if you call anything else it is not a kicked ball - IMHO if it is a kicked ball that is it - if you have something else it might be a result of the action of kicking but not a kicked ball.

A player kicking at a ball wouldn't be flagrant, but a player kicking at another player may be flagrant if it's deemed to be a fighting act. Very possible.

You're right, it's semantics. The question is, can you call a technical for a player kicking the ball? The answer is, yes, but....

Unless the player is doing his best Beckam impression or tees off and kicks the ball right at an opponent, a T is going to be very hard to justify.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Please explain that one, flagrant with no contact?

2 kids jarring back and forth during the game, one kid has had enough and attempts to kick the other but misses. Fighting. Flagrant.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

2 kids jarring back and forth during the game, one kid has had enough and attempts to kick the other but misses. Fighting. Flagrant.

Or after a loose ball.

[PIAA REF]

If a kid got mad at a call and took the ball and punted it I think I would deem that Flagrant. Maybe it would depend on the distance the ball traveled.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

2 kids jarring back and forth during the game, one kid has had enough and attempts to kick the other but misses. Fighting. Flagrant.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Or after a loose ball.

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

If a kid got mad at a call and took the ball and punted it I think I would deem that Flagrant. Maybe it would depend on the distance the ball traveled.

Okay I can see that but none of those are a "kicked ball" (using the rule interpretation) they all involve some other rule.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Okay I can see that but none of those are a "kicked ball" (using the rule interpretation) they all involve some other rule.

yup, semantics.

[Indianaref]

What about this kicked ball:

YouTube - Basket Ball Game Fight

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Okay I can see that but none of those are a "kicked ball" (using the rule interpretation) they all involve some other rule.

Yeah, mine had nothing to do with a kicked ball. I thought you were asking about how you could have a flagrant foul with no contact...