End of Game Intentional Delay

[cmathews]

You know, it may take me a couple seconds to make sure that A's head coach doesn't need a time out, and oh look at that when I look back to the endline there are less than 5 seconds left.........In either case I am not going to stop the game and let them benefit from an illegal tactic...

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by cmathews

You know, it may take me a couple seconds to make sure that A's head coach doesn't need a time out, and oh look at that when I look back to the endline there are less than 5 seconds left.........In either case I am not going to stop the game and let them benefit from an illegal tactic...

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

That was brought up as well.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

I don't believe that there is a rule that addresses this like there is for the attempt to delay with only seconds on the clock. According to the RULES you ignore the attempted delay unless it interferes with the team attempting thier throw -in,(in thier face preventing the throw-in, knocking the ballout of thier hands,or preventing them from getting the ball at all). You will not be popular (what's the change right) for the call but they will think about it next time. There is also the possibility for a intentional foul in your sit. which must be watched for and called, much to the shagrin of coaches everywhere. There are legal (bad word choice) ways to stop the clock and illegal ways thanks to the rules.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I don't believe that there is a rule that addresses this like there is for the attempt to delay with only seconds on the clock. According to the RULES you ignore the attempted delay unless it interferes with the team attempting thier throw -in,(in thier face preventing the throw-in, knocking the ballout of thier hands,or preventing them from getting the ball at all). .

The rule says to ignore if there are 5 seconds or less. What about if there are 20 and the defensive player crosses the boundary line? Delay of game per the rulebook?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Spence

The rule says to ignore if there are 5 seconds or less. What about if there are 20 and the defensive player crosses the boundary line? Delay of game per the rulebook?

I guess we need to contact the rules committee for the exact time break to call or not to call.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I guess we need to contact the rules committee for the exact time break to call or not to call.

Haven't they already determined that its 5 seconds?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Spence

Haven't they already determined that its 5 seconds?

Scarcasm is so hard to type.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

The rule book spefically considers this tactic to be wrong. It also specifically states that fouling is an accepted and appropriate strategy.

Note also that if the defense fouled in the OP rather than hitting the ball away; it would most likely be an intentional foul.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The rule book spefically considers this tactic to be wrong. It also specifically states that fouling is an accepted and appropriate strategy.

Note also that if the defense fouled in the OP rather than hitting the ball away; it would most likely be an intentional foul.

Wait to foul until the ball is at the throwers disposal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Wait to foul until the ball is at the throwers disposal.

It's still most likely going to be an intentional foul because it'll be off ball designed solely to stop the clock.

If it was a dead ball foul, it's gonna be a technical.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's still most likely going to be an intentional foul because it'll be off ball designed solely to stop the clock.

If it was a dead ball foul, it's gonna be a technical.

Are all off ball foul intentional or just for the team trailing and trying to stop the clock? Rule please if any Not tryin to be smart.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Are all off ball foul intentional or just for the team trailing and trying to stop the clock? Rule please if any Not tryin to be smart.

It's just something to watch for. There is a rule, I believe, but I'll have to check when I get home.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's still most likely going to be an intentional foul because it'll be off ball designed solely to stop the clock.

If it was a dead ball foul, it's gonna be a technical.

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Are all off ball foul intentional or just for the team trailing and trying to stop the clock? Rule please if any Not tryin to be smart.

Found it:

Originally Posted by Case play 4.19.3C

Team A leads by three points with four seconds remaining in the fourth quarter. Team A is to throw-in from a spot out of bounds on the endline. Players begin jockeying for positions just after the official has handed the ball to A1. B1, while trying to deny a pass from A1 to A2: (a) grabs A2's arm; or (b) pushes A2 from behind. Ruling: In (a) and (b), it is an intentional personal foul designed to keep the clock from starting or to neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

first as someone stated above, the foul is an accepted practice....secondly, the foul carries a penalty whether it be free throws or getting closer to the bonus to make it a free throw contest on succeeding fouls...without a T there is no penalty for an act to clearly circumvent the rules, or use them to gain an advantage. I just won't start my count until the ball is at the disposal of the team entitled to the throw in, and if they want to stand there and hold the ball and watch the clock run out it is up to them. Should the coach start yelling delay delay etc., it will be similar to 3 seconds, and every time they disrupt my count I will have to start it over