End of Game Intentional Delay

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by cmathews

You know, it may take me a couple seconds to make sure that A's head coach doesn't need a time out, and oh look at that when I look back to the endline there are less than 5 seconds left.........In either case I am not going to stop the game and let them benefit from an illegal tactic...

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

That was brought up as well.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

I don't believe that there is a rule that addresses this like there is for the attempt to delay with only seconds on the clock. According to the RULES you ignore the attempted delay unless it interferes with the team attempting thier throw -in,(in thier face preventing the throw-in, knocking the ballout of thier hands,or preventing them from getting the ball at all). You will not be popular (what's the change right) for the call but they will think about it next time. There is also the possibility for a intentional foul in your sit. which must be watched for and called, much to the shagrin of coaches everywhere. There are legal (bad word choice) ways to stop the clock and illegal ways thanks to the rules.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I don't believe that there is a rule that addresses this like there is for the attempt to delay with only seconds on the clock. According to the RULES you ignore the attempted delay unless it interferes with the team attempting thier throw -in,(in thier face preventing the throw-in, knocking the ballout of thier hands,or preventing them from getting the ball at all). .

The rule says to ignore if there are 5 seconds or less. What about if there are 20 and the defensive player crosses the boundary line? Delay of game per the rulebook?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Spence

The rule says to ignore if there are 5 seconds or less. What about if there are 20 and the defensive player crosses the boundary line? Delay of game per the rulebook?

I guess we need to contact the rules committee for the exact time break to call or not to call.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I guess we need to contact the rules committee for the exact time break to call or not to call.

Haven't they already determined that its 5 seconds?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by lpneck

If there are 8 seconds remaining, I'm calling a delay. You have no rules justification to do anything else. Coach A also deserves consideration for Coach of the Year for knowing the rules well enough to benefit his team.

The case play is clear that this rule is not to be used to the advantage of the defense in a close game. Whether there's 5 or 8 seconds left, the advantage is the same. A smart offensive player can use up 8 seconds easily; count to 4 then throw a long high pass towards your basket.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

What makes this tactic any more illegal than a team fouling when down by 2 and 20 seconds left?

The rule book spefically considers this tactic to be wrong. It also specifically states that fouling is an accepted and appropriate strategy.

Note also that if the defense fouled in the OP rather than hitting the ball away; it would most likely be an intentional foul.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The rule book spefically considers this tactic to be wrong. It also specifically states that fouling is an accepted and appropriate strategy.

Note also that if the defense fouled in the OP rather than hitting the ball away; it would most likely be an intentional foul.

Wait to foul until the ball is at the throwers disposal.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Spence

Haven't they already determined that its 5 seconds?

Scarcasm is so hard to type.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The case play is clear that this rule is not to be used to the advantage of the defense in a close game. Whether there's 5 or 8 seconds left, the advantage is the same. A smart offensive player can use up 8 seconds easily; count to 4 then throw a long high pass towards your basket.

So the coach says to you "but the rule clearly says with 5 seconds or less" and we had 8 (or 20). Where's my delay warning?"

[Spence]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Scarcasm is so hard to type.

Ahh, duly noted.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Spence

So the coach says to you "but the rule clearly says with 5 seconds or less" and we had 8 (or 20). Where's my delay warning?"

That's not a rule, it's a case play describing how they (NFHS) want this type of play called. The case play clearly says when it's done just to stop the clock in an end-of-game scenario, we're to ignore or T.

"Coach, you're getting your warning also."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

Wait to foul until the ball is at the throwers disposal.

It's still most likely going to be an intentional foul because it'll be off ball designed solely to stop the clock.

If it was a dead ball foul, it's gonna be a technical.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

That's not a rule, it's a case play describing how they (NFHS) want this type of play called. The case play clearly says when it's done just to stop the clock in an end-of-game scenario, we're to ignore or T.

"Coach, you're getting your warning also."

If the rule is designed to prevent it "when its done just to stop the clock" why does the rule specify 5 seconds or less?