End of Game Intentional Delay

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

The only thing that this shows is that the warning is accomapanying the Technical.
If the opponent of the the thrower reaches throght the plan and bats the ball away at any time during the the game the technical foul is called.
That technical foul automatically carries a warning for delay.

This is the relevant part to the OP:

COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic. (4-47-1; 10-1-5c)

IOW, it says to let it go if the trailing team is trying to delay the game just to stop the clock when they're out of TOs.

[beachbum]

I know I am fairly new, but..... I do not consider this an "illegal tactic" as stated buy someone earlier. Many times coaches use the rules to their advantage, but it wouldn't be considered illegal, it is just a violation of the rules that should be enforced,...as per the rule book. We should not make up our own rules to combat this.

I think that officials should follow the rules, and if that means stopping the clock for a delay or giving a T, then so be it. If the call benefits the "D", then so be it. When the rules makers realize the inequity of the rule, they will change it. Then we as officials enforce the NEW rule.

I'm sure someone will tell me the inequity of my thoughts!!!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by beachbum

I know I am fairly new, but..... I do not consider this an "illegal tactic" as stated buy someone earlier. Many times coaches use the rules to their advantage, but it wouldn't be considered illegal, it is just a violation of the rules that should be enforced,...as per the rule book. We should not make up our own rules to combat this.

I think that officials should follow the rules, and if that means stopping the clock for a delay or giving a T, then so be it. If the call benefits the "D", then so be it. When the rules makers realize the inequity of the rule, they will change it. Then we as officials enforce the NEW rule.

I'm sure someone will tell me the inequity of my thoughts!!!!!

They've already augmented the rule with the case play showing you that there are times the delay should either be ignored or done with a T.

Here is the relevant part of the case play:

In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic.

[beachbum]

If a coach is out of timeouts, but decides to use that as a way to stop the clock, we enforce the rule by awarding the time out, but giving a "T". this is not considered illegal, but a violation of the rules. the officials enforced the spirit of the rule. To ignore a coach asking for a time out, just to let the clock run because the official new it was a stragetic maneuver, would be a travesty.

So, a coach uses the delay of game as a method of stopping the clock...someone explain the difference between these two methods of manipulating the game. AND why we wouldn't enforce the spirit of the rule. Even if it benefits the "D"

[beachbum]

the question cmathews, is are you enforcing the rule, as per the rule book, or are you penalizing the "D" because of what you know they are doing?????

If they are causing a delay, then it is a "stop the clock and issue a warning", if you heard them discuss it in a huddle, then it is a "T". We are OFFICIALS, we are to enforce the spirit of the rule!!!!!!!!!!

[cmathews]

Originally Posted by beachbum

the question cmathews, is are you enforcing the rule, as per the rule book, or are you penalizing the "D" because of what you know they are doing?????

If they are causing a delay, then it is a "stop the clock and issue a warning", if you heard them discuss it in a huddle, then it is a "T". We are OFFICIALS, we are to enforce the spirit of the rule!!!!!!!!!!

Beachbum, you appear to be fairly new here....so I won't take you to the woodshed ....yes you are exactly correct we are to enforce the spirit of the rule. That is exactly what I propose, the spirit of the rule is to not allow someone to gain an advantage by using an "illegal" tactic. The letter of the rule is to enforce a delay, let them set up a defense, and also let them force B to inbound the ball because I stopped the clock, and it can't become live again until it comes in bounds.

The spirit of the rule, is to let them stand there holding the ball, and not start my count until there is less than 5 seconds left on a running clock.