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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 10:44am
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NEohioref:

Why are you making up rules. There is not rhyme or reason doing what you are doing to this girl. You were wrong in the first game you had with her and you were wrong in the second game you had her. It might not be jewelery, but the jewelery rule does not apply to it.

Pre-wrap is pre-wrap and it can have a medical reason when it is worn around the leg. Don't go looking for boogers. I can't believe you went down this road. As a NE Ohio basketball officical (member: Trumbull Co. Bkb. Off. Assn. since 1971; member: Lake Erie Dist. Bkb. Off. Assn, IAABO Bd. #55) I have always felt that the best H.S. basketball officials, as a whole district, are in the NE District and then you go down this road of lunancy.

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P.S.: The correct spelling of "becuz" is spelled "because."
Thanks Sr, like I said before I understand. Thats why I love you guys. When someone is wrong you give them that tough love answer that makes them understand real quick. Thanks for the feedback. Sr remember Im just a Diebler loving lunatic!
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 11:19am
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Thanks Sr. When someone is wrong you give them that tough love answer that makes them understand real quick.
Tough love? You should have been around for Jurassic Referee before he went on sabbatical. He made the rest of us look like pussy cats.

NEohioref: Good nickname for Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Good in more ways than one.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 01:34pm
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I have always felt that the best H.S. basketball officials, as a whole district, are in the NE District and then you go down this road of lunancy.

MTD, Sr.


P.S.: The correct spelling of "becuz" is spelled "because."
Not sure why people get carried away about using jargon when their own spelling isn't correct???
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 02:22pm
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The only part of Art. 2 that comes into play here:

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NFHS Rule 3-5:
ART. 1 . . . The referee shall not permit any team member to wear equipment
or apparel which, in his/her judgment, is dangerous or confusing to other players or is not appropriate.
ART. 2 . . . Guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves must meet the
following guidelines:
a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable
(soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the
elbow, hand, finger, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft
padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or
shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be
covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are
acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons.
Coach, Player A1 has pre-wrap on her knee. Is that for medical puposes? Okay, good.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 03:13pm
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Coach, Player A1 has pre-wrap on her knee. Is that for medical puposes? Okay, good.
Why would you even go there? It's not a brace, cast, compression sleeve, or guard...just leave it alone. She's not breaking any rules or safety measure so just leave it alone.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 03:14pm
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Come on, how could pre-wrap be for medical reasons? It's pre-wrap... not tape, not an ace bandage, not a brace. Having said that... it's also not illegal. Let it go and play the game.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 04:30pm
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Not sure why people get carried away about using jargon when their own spelling isn't correct???

I just corrected my spelling mistake. If you notice I made my OP at 02:04amEST. I wasn't completely awake at the time and since I am old and senile that is my excuse and I am sticking with it, .

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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 05:38pm
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According to Ron Cooper, ATC, athletic trainer, pre-wrap makes an excellent patellar tendon strap.

Ron says, "I learned about this technique by watching other athletic trainers and by word-of-mouth. This use of underwrap has been around for at least 5-10 years."

"The athlete places the pre-wrap about 8-10 inches above the knee and wraps it around their thigh 10-12 times, as tight as they like. Next, the athlete's palms roll down over pre-wrap, creating a cord. Finally, just roll the strap down to desired spot."

Using underwrap for patellar tendon support has several advantages over straps or braces made specifically for that purpose. The biggest advantage, Ron says, is comfort. "Pre-wrap is flexible and form-fitting to the knee. Most purchased straps are connected by Velcro, which can irritate the underside of the knee causing pain and discomfort."

Ron also likes the control afforded by underwrap. "The level of tension and pressure is determined by the athlete, increasing comfort during the activity. The strap also stays in place better and longer. Purchased patellar straps are typically made out of neoprene, which get wet and slide when an athlete perspires. You'll see athletes tugging at the device, trying to twist it into place. But the pre-wrap is made of a foam substance that holds better to the athlete's body." Although neoprene holds heat and helps muscles stay warm, Ron says that sometimes neoprene straps feel almost too hot at times.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 05:50pm
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If she had tape around it, you wouldn't have said a word. Pre-wrap is just a kind of tape, let it go. Assume it's medical if you need to; but there's no need.
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 08:15pm
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becuz, Y ??? Who sez ???
Yo Yo Yo Playa!!!
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Old Sun Jan 04, 2009, 08:39pm
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According to Ron Cooper, ATC, athletic trainer, pre-wrap makes an excellent patellar tendon strap.
treece: Thanks for sharing.
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 10:02am
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Not sure why people get carried away about using jargon when their own spelling isn't correct???
Not sure why people end sentence fragments with redundant, incorrect punctuation???
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 04:30pm
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Not sure why people end sentence fragments with redundant, incorrect punctuation???
Let's see if I can translate this from mbyron into English? Please keep in mind that sarcasm is difficult to translate.

"Please post in complete sentences, and end a question with one question mark, not three question marks".
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 04:41pm
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Had a girl last week who was wearing pre-wrap in a similar fashion. Partner asked if we should tell her to take it off. I said no, because there was no rule justification for telling her to do so. He said, alright, we'll just leave it unless the other coach complains. I almost had to walk away shaking my head in disbelief!
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Old Mon Jan 05, 2009, 04:45pm
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Let's see if I can translate this from mbyron into English? Please keep in mind that sarcasm is difficult to translate.

"Please post in complete sentences, and end a question with one question mark, not three question marks".
... and put the period BEFORE the closing quote mark ...

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