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NEohioref Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:44am

Pre-wrap around knee
 
This is what happened and this is what I did: B4(blue) has yellow prewrap around the knee . I tell her to remove it,Girl says its for her knee and the doctor says she needs to where it.after she takes it off she yells to the stands mom get my brace. The coach asks whats wrong and tell him no prewrap around the knee unless she has a doctors note or something from the state that says she can wear it. Mom never got the brace and even dressed for the V game with no brace or prewrap. One V official asked me what happened and I said she cant wear it becuz it wasnt the same color of the uniform and i considered it jewelry becuz she she had no medical or state note saying she can wear it.He said they can wear it. Was I right or wrong? I see both sides of the story. Its not a cast but at the same time why does she need it? Truth is I had her earlier this year and told her to take it off and she did with no complaints. Thanks guys!

jdmara Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:46am

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Originally Posted by NEohioref (Post 564106)
This is what happened and this is what I did: B4(blue) has yellow prewrap around the knee . I tell her to remove it,Girl says its for her knee and the doctor says she needs to where it.after she takes it off she yells to the stands mom get my brace. The coach asks whats wrong and tell him no prewrap around the knee unless she has a doctors note or something from the state that says she can wear it. Mom never got the brace and even dressed for the V game with no brace or prewrap. One V official asked me what happened and I said she cant wear it becuz it wasnt the same color of the uniform and i considered it jewelry becuz she she had no medical or state note saying she can wear it.He said they can wear it. Was I right or wrong? I see both sides of the story. Its not a cast but at the same time why does she need it? Truth is I had her earlier this year and told her to take it off and she did with no complaints. Thanks guys!

From my interpretation, the player should be allowed to wear it.

-Josh

NEohioref Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:57am

Thats the feed back I need, what is your interp?

JRutledge Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:01am

The rules on pre-wrap only apply to headbands (that go completely around their head), not things used for medical purposes. You are misinterpreting the rule. And certainly something to wrap a leg for some stability is not under the color restriction. You need to go back and read the new rule on the topic. You were completely wrong to prevent the player from playing with the pre-wrap and you are opening yourself up for some kind of liability to restrict such device. Pre-wrap is not a hard or leathery surface device that would be illegal under other rules. The girl has the right to play with that around their leg.

Peace

NEohioref Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:09am

just to make sure we are on the same page. Im speaking on the wrap the use aroung the head,that nylon stuff. I dont think its legal around the knee. But I will continue to look at the rule.wristbands or headwear is not legal around the knee.

jdmara Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:23am

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Originally Posted by NEohioref (Post 564111)
just to make sure we are on the same page. Im speaking on the wrap the use aroung the head,that nylon stuff. I dont think its legal around the knee. But I will continue to look at the rule.wristbands or headwear is not legal around the knee.

Why ask the question if you're not going to accept the answer that is given :confused: The wristband rules are for items wore on the arms. The headband rules are for items wore around the head. The hair control device are for items that are wore to control the hair. Pre-wrap can be wore around the knee without color restrictions. This would be the same as sock color. If I had concerns about the item (which I highly doubt I would), I would ask the coach if it's being worn for a medical reason. If he replies, yes...Problem solved, it will be worn as long as it is not dangerous.

-Josh

NEohioref Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:35am

Josh You are correct and agree with u 100% Im not arguing. I just dont know what to call that nylon stuff.

jdmara Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:38am

Pre-wrap and Athletic Tape ?

NEohioref Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:44am

but what if I consider it "For Show" Jewlery. What support to the knee does it offer? Like I said no medical use that I seen with no note. I just want more info on this..I see what u are saying no harm no foul..but whats the use? To me its a hair control device.

JRutledge Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:53am

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Originally Posted by NEohioref (Post 564118)
but what if I consider it "For Show" Jewlery. What support to the knee does it offer? Like I said no medical use that I seen with no note. I just want more info on this..I see what u are saying no harm no foul..but whats the use? To me its a hair control device.

Jewelry can never be worn. Pre-wrap is not jewelry under the rules; neither are wristbands or headbands. The only information you need is what the New Rules says. And we are not telling you this without evidence. You are looking for something that is not there.

Peace

NEohioref Sun Jan 04, 2009 01:58am

Thanks Rut, I see what you are saying now.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sun Jan 04, 2009 02:04am

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Originally Posted by NEohioref (Post 564106)
This is what happened and this is what I did: B4(blue) has yellow prewrap around the knee . I tell her to remove it,Girl says its for her knee and the doctor says she needs to where it.after she takes it off she yells to the stands mom get my brace. The coach asks whats wrong and tell him no prewrap around the knee unless she has a doctors note or something from the state that says she can wear it. Mom never got the brace and even dressed for the V game with no brace or prewrap. One V official asked me what happened and I said she cant wear it becuz it wasnt the same color of the uniform and i considered it jewelry becuz she she had no medical or state note saying she can wear it.He said they can wear it. Was I right or wrong? I see both sides of the story. Its not a cast but at the same time why does she need it? Truth is I had her earlier this year and told her to take it off and she did with no complaints. Thanks guys!


NEohioref:

Why are you making up rules. There is not rhyme or reason doing what you are doing to this girl. You were wrong in the first game you had with her and you were wrong in the second game you had her. It might not be jewelery, but the jewelery rule does not apply to it.

Pre-wrap is pre-wrap and it can have a medical reason when it is worn around the leg. Don't go looking for boogers. I can't believe you went down this road. As a NE Ohio basketball officical (member: Trumbull Co. Bkb. Off. Assn. since 1971; member: Lake Erie Dist. Bkb. Off. Assn, IAABO Bd. #55) I have always felt that the best H.S. basketball officials, as a whole district, are in the NE District and then you go down this road of lunacy.

MTD, Sr.


P.S.: The correct spelling of "becuz" is spelled "because."

treece Sun Jan 04, 2009 08:10am

Pre-wrap below the knee
 
Many athletes, especially teens, wear pre-wrap below the knee for Osgood Schlatter's disease and other knee pain issues.

See Pre-wrap as a knee strap and see article here.

I can't tell you the officiating rules but I can tell you that it is used extensively for this medical purpose.

BillyMac Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:28am

Same Reason My Daughter Never Uses Her Shift Key To Capitalize ...
 
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 564124)
The correct spelling of "becuz" is spelled "because."

becuz, Y ??? Who sez ???

BillyMac Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:31am

NFHS Equipment ...
 
NFHS Rule 3-5:
ART. 1 . . . The referee shall not permit any team member to wear equipment
or apparel which, in his/her judgment, is dangerous or confusing to other players or is not appropriate.
ART. 2 . . . Guards, casts, braces and compression sleeves must meet the
following guidelines:
a. A guard, cast or brace made of hard and unyielding leather, plaster, pliable
(soft) plastic, metal or any other hard substance may not be worn on the
elbow, hand, finger, wrist or forearm; even though covered with soft
padding.
b. Hard and unyielding items (guards, casts, braces, etc.) on the upper arm or
shoulder must be padded.
c. Knee and ankle braces are permitted but all exposed hinges must be
covered. Most over-sleeves recommended by manufacturers are
acceptable. These braces may be padded or unpadded.
d. Must be worn for medical reasons.


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