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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 08:54pm
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Great no call ... despite what everyone thinks?

How many of you think the ref got this call correct?

YouTube - Illinois vs Kentucky - 1984 NCAA

He ends his dribble when his left foot was on the ground - this is his pivot - he then does not move that foot.

Do you agree?

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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 09:14pm
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From what I can tell from the video, the left foot is the pivot foot, and it does not move illegally.
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 09:21pm
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But the announcers thought it was a travel, so it must have been. They both agreed.

What?

Oh, never mind.

Can you imagine the hell the ref would have gotten if he'd made that call?
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 09:37pm
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As a long time watcher and as a rookie official I've always said the most missed walk call is the one that's called because it looks odd. I see it all of the time.
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 10:12pm
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But the announcers thought it was a travel, so it must have been. They both agreed.
Actually I think they agreed he was "close to walking" if not "very close to walking."

My question: WHAT GAME WERE YOU WATCHING??
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Old Tue Dec 23, 2008, 11:38pm
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It was not even close to a travel. The official made a great call.

BTW, that was Bruce Douglass from Quincy High School. I officiated his son a couple of years ago at Downers Grove High School in the Chicago area. I understand Douglass is now a minister. And ironically Douglass was awarded the Top 100 influence coaches and players in IHSA History and was given an award when I worked at Quincy High School in 2007.

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And I was actually AT that game. My friend and I did the travel between the regional sites at St. Louis and Lexington, since one site played Thurs./Sat., and the other played Fri./Sun. It was a great game, great atmosphere, although it was a home game for Kentucky. I believe it was this game that caused the NCAA to institute the rule that a school cannot play a regional final at their home court.

No, it wasn't a travel, but I thought there should've been a held ball called. Just my humble, semi-unbiased opinion.
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Old Wed Dec 24, 2008, 01:35pm
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Actually I think they agreed he was "close to walking" if not "very close to walking."
Hmmm...is there a difference between the two? Oh wait, these were announcers who said that? Never mind!
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Hmmm...is there a difference between the two? Oh wait, these were announcers who said that? Never mind!
Right, and apparently there's no difference between "almost walking" and "traveling."
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Old Thu Dec 25, 2008, 05:50pm
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I have showed to several basketball people - not officials - and at first they all said travel!

Then after explaining it they actually understood.

Most fall in the category - if it looks awkward then it is a violation.

Question: Does anyone know of any videos that demonstrate legal pivot moves?
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Old Thu Dec 25, 2008, 08:33pm
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And I was actually AT that game. My friend and I did the travel between the regional sites at St. Louis and Lexington, since one site played Thurs./Sat., and the other played Fri./Sun. It was a great game, great atmosphere, although it was a home game for Kentucky. I believe it was this game that caused the NCAA to institute the rule that a school cannot play a regional final at their home court.

No, it wasn't a travel, but I thought there should've been a held ball called. Just my humble, semi-unbiased opinion.
That game was a long time ago.

Dang! That means that M&M is... well... let's see... carry the 8, add the two.... oh, nevermind. So you had fun at the game M&M?

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Old Fri Dec 26, 2008, 09:50am
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That game was a long time ago.

Dang! That means that M&M is... well... let's see... carry the 8, add the two.... oh, nevermind. So you had fun at the game M&M?

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Hey, I'm old enough to knock you over the head with my walker! (If I ever catch up to you...)
Yea, NCAA tournament games are fun, especially if the team you're rooting for is in it. In this case, it was essentially a home game for Kentucky, so the place was packed. I at least get to say I've been in Rupp Arena, even if it wasn't the outcome I wanted.
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Old Fri Dec 26, 2008, 12:51pm
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Game from a different era

I was also at the game! Remember the play well. I had lower arena seats and had a great time rooting for the Illini. I actually had two extra seats and sold them out front. I refused to sell them to Kentucy fans. I found two Illini backers and sold them for face value to them and had KY fans screaming at me and offering big bucks for them. I looked at them and said "No more big blue fans in here!"

No travel, good call.
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Old Sat Dec 27, 2008, 08:13am
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And I was actually AT that game. My friend and I did the travel between the regional sites at St. Louis and Lexington, since one site played Thurs./Sat., and the other played Fri./Sun. It was a great game, great atmosphere, although it was a home game for Kentucky. I believe it was this game that caused the NCAA to institute the rule that a school cannot play a regional final at their home court.

No, it wasn't a travel, but I thought there should've been a held ball called. Just my humble, semi-unbiased opinion.
Well, at least YOU traveled!
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Right, and apparently there's no difference between "almost walking" and "traveling."
Wow...I wonder if these announcers had non-native speakers for English teachers in school.
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