Illegal substitution?

[bigda65]

Nevada,

Made a couple calls.

J R is right, In WV there is a 4 quarters played max, and he played in all four quarters of the JV game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bigda65

Nevada,

Made a couple calls.

J R is right, In WV there is a 4 quarters played max, and he played in all four quarters of the JV game.

Okay, so what's the specified penalty in WV?
Should a T be charged? Can the kid now remain in the game or must he immediately depart? Does the team forfeit the contest? Did the game official handle it properly?

We have a five quarter rule here in NV for the smallest classification, but the game officials have absolutely nothing to do with the administration or enforcement of it. It is handled solely by the ADs and the state office, if they can't come to an agreement. If the rule is broken, that team will likely forfeit the contest upon a ruling by the state office at a later date. No decision is made on the court.

[bigda65]

I'm not sure what else was done, but he did continue to play - as a matter of fact he stayed in the game and played almost the entire 4th quarter.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bigda65

I'm not sure what else was done, but he did continue to play - as a matter of fact he stayed in the game and played almost the entire 4th quarter.

Interesting. I think every state has a quarter limit for players, but I've never heard of actually assessing the technical foul. WV would be the only state I know of that puts this enforcement on the officials. I've never even had the opportunity to tell a coach it's not my job.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting. I think every state has a quarter limit for players, but I've never heard of actually assessing the technical foul. WV would be the only state I know of that puts this enforcement on the officials. I've never even had the opportunity to tell a coach it's not my job.

Except maybe for Utah. No quarter limitations here.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Except maybe for Utah. No quarter limitations here.

I suggest that you check into that. You may find that Utah has a per day game limit, which is essentially the same thing. It will probably say something like no student-athlete may participate in more than one contest per day, with the exception of a tournament.

I seriously doubt that Utah allows a kid to play in the jv game and the varsity game that follows.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I suggest that you check into that. You may find that Utah has a per day game limit, which is essentially the same thing. It will probably say something like no student-athlete may participate in more than one contest per day, with the exception of a tournament.

I seriously doubt that Utah allows a kid to play in the jv game and the varsity game that follows.

You'd be surprised. I did a small school JV/V DH last year and noticed one girl sitting in the stands, in uniform, during the JV game. I asked at a break about why she was there. The answer?

There must be at least one player difference between the JV and V teams. This school fields the same team for both games. But one girl sits out the JV game, another sits out the V game.

BTW, it's not that unusual at larger schools for a single player to play in the sophomore, JV and V games in a single day. Sometimes most of the soph. and JV games. It seems the reason for having sophomore basketball at all is to give the kids more playing time.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting. I think every state has a quarter limit for players, but I've never heard of actually assessing the technical foul. WV would be the only state I know of that puts this enforcement on the officials. I've never even had the opportunity to tell a coach it's not my job.

Iowa has a number of games (perhaps it's quarters) a player may participate in a season. But that is to limit a player from playing all the games at multiple levels. For instance, a freshman player could not play the entire season with both freshman and varsity. He would exceed the maximum number of games/quarters played. However, this stipulation has nothing to do with the on-court officials. This is taken care of administratively by the ADs and state associations. Unless something has changed since I was "playing" a decade ago

-Josh

[jcarter]

I believe Indiana has a limit for playing JV/Varsity, but I believe it is in the bylaws of IHSAA and not something that game officials handle. It is something that the school would have to address with IHSAA

[M&M Guy]

Same in Illinois.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Iowa has a number of games (perhaps it's quarters) a player may participate in a season. But that is to limit a player from playing all the games at multiple levels. For instance, a freshman player could not play the entire season with both freshman and varsity. He would exceed the maximum number of games/quarters played. However, this stipulation has nothing to do with the on-court officials. This is taken care of administratively by the ADs and state associations. Unless something has changed since I was "playing" a decade ago

-Josh

I remember this from my playing days. IIRC, if you played in three quarters of one game, it counted as a game. It might have been two, but I'm not sure.

[Adam]

So I guess Ohio makes their officials police this, too. That makes 2. Any other states put this on the officials?