players with 4 fouls

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

"Hey, you got 4, be smart"

Since when is it your job to coach the players? If I'm the opposing coach, it would sure sound like favoritism to me.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Since when is it your job to coach the players? If I'm the opposing coach, it would sure sound like favoritism to me.

Of course it's favoritism. We favor players over coaches.

[Adam]

The only time I tell a player to be smart is when he looks like he's getting frustrated and might get a T.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The only time I tell a player to be smart is when he looks like he's getting frustrated and might get a T.

being aware that a player has four fouls and telling everyone in the building you are aware that that player has four fouls are two different things.

I would never tell a player to watch it you have four fouls, I would tell a player to be smart, or take a deep breath, or watch it - now is not the time to be get a case of the stupids, to avoid the player doing something that has consequences.

But the discussion of how many fouls a player has is just asking for trouble - especially when s/he turns and say's "Go ahead a## @*$% give me my fifth!"

[Back In The Saddle]

What can I say? You can't fix stupid.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Since when is it your job to coach the players? If I'm the opposing coach, it would sure sound like favoritism to me.

That's coaching a player? Besides, how would you even know what I said to a player? You wouldn't. Too funny. Good thing my people skills defuse paranoia.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

That's coaching a player? Besides, how would you even know what I said to a player? You wouldn't. Too funny. Good thing my people skills defuse paranoia.

Players talk.

Coach: "Hey, Bobby, what'd the ref say to you?"
Bobby: "He said I have four fouls and to play smart."

And that's just Bobby's coach that's going to be upset with you.

Yeah, that's coaching the kids. If that's okay where you ref, so be it; but it wouldn't be okay any place I've reffed.
Coach: "Hey, Billy, what'd the ref say to #24 red?"
Billy: "He said he had 4 fouls and to play smart."

Coach: "That's three seconds!"
Official: "Coach, I can't have you officiating from the bench like that."
Coach: "Why not, you've been coaching from the court."

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Players talk.

Coach: "Hey, Bobby, what'd the ref say to you?"
Bobby: "He said I have four fouls and to play smart."

And that's just Bobby's coach that's going to be upset with you.

Yeah, that's coaching the kids. If that's okay where you ref, so be it; but it wouldn't be okay any place I've reffed.
Coach: "Hey, Billy, what'd the ref say to #24 red?"
Billy: "He said he had 4 fouls and to play smart."

Coach: "That's three seconds!"
Official: "Coach, I can't have you officiating from the bench like that."
Coach: "Why not, you've been coaching from the court."

You can make that case. I've not had any problems with what I do. If anything, the coaches I deal with appreciate preventative officiating, and the players know I'm trying to help them. I guess it is all how you are perceived by the coaches and players. If your judgment or people skills are off, you are correct, you can get bit. I still think that this is the right approach. If you can learn to do it, game management and relationships with the players and coaches becomes very simple.

BTW, I'd never respond to a coach yelling 3 seconds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

BTW, I'd never respond to a coach yelling 3 seconds.

Not the first time, anyway; but you just gonna ignore him if he's yelling it every time down the court?

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Not the first time, anyway; but you just gonna ignore him if he's yelling it every time down the court?

Hate to say it, but this just doesn't happen in my games very often. However, if I worked at a level where an immature coach started with that, I cannot imagine that the quick "OK, I'll call it if they get an advantage", said nicely, would not stop it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Hate to say it, but this just doesn't happen in my games very often. However, if I worked at a level where an immature coach started with that, I cannot imagine that the quick "OK, I'll call it if they get an advantage", said nicely, would not stop it.

In all honesty, I don't see this anymore either. One a year in a JV game, though, I'll have a coach do something similar to the other thread where the T was called 37 seconds in. Every trip it's something, "Moving screen, over the back, travel, carry, double dribble, three seconds," etc. It's not yelling, but it needs to be addressed. Sometimes the quick comment made "nicely" works, and once in a while it doesn't.