2 steps without dribbling on fastbreak

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

you do have a pivot foot it just is not designated yet.

What about after a jump stop when neither foot can be the pivot foot?

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Trying to be smart and literal about the rules will get you nowhere.

The same can be said for trying to make up your own phrase to describe a rule instead of using the rule book term. You said "you must have a pivot foot in order to dribble" when all you had to say was that a dribble cannot be started after lifting the pivot foot.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by LDUB

What about after a jump stop when neither foot can be the pivot foot?

You aren't allowed to dribble in that situation. I don't know where you are going with this????

Originally Posted by LDUB

The same can be said for trying to make up your own phrase to describe a rule instead of using the rule book term. You said "you must have a pivot foot in order to dribble" when all you had to say was that a dribble cannot be started after lifting the pivot foot.

I didn't make up my own phrase. it sounds like i paraphrased the rule and didn't quote it. Either way they are both correct. What do you mean "all i had to say was"??? I said what you said in the exact amount of words it took you to say your rule book quote?

This is a moot point... and the point being "a dribble cannot be started after lifting the pivot foot"

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

The traveling rule is all about the pivot foot. If you understand which foot is the pivot foot and what can be done with the pivot foot, then everything else because very easy. The problem is we call thing that "look funny" but we do not identify the pivot foot or what was done with that foot.

Peace

Rut's got a good point. Lots of times things look funny but are legal. Thats when I make it a point to shake my head back and forth to signify that i saw it but "I got nothin.'"

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jevaque

why is it not a travel on a fast break when a player catches the ball and then takes his or her 2 steps towards the basket for a lay-up and it is any other time????

If the truth be told the reason many of these are not travels is because it is so difficult to see exactly when the dribbler catches the ball.

If it mighta been a travel it ain't a travel.

But with the benefit of slow motion replay, a considerable percentage of lay-ups would indeed be travels.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

You aren't allowed to dribble in that situation. I don't know where you are going with this????

You sure can. But you must do so before either foot is lifted.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You sure can. But you must do so before either foot is lifted.

Yup Yup.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You sure can. But you must do so before either foot is lifted.

I have to disagree with you. If you have no pivot foot, which is the case in this one, or you have lifted your pivot foot in the air prior to dribbling then you have exhausted your opportunity to dribble as you no longer have a pivot foot and your only options are shooting or passing.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I have to disagree with you. If you have no pivot foot, which is the case in this one, or you have lifted your pivot foot in the air prior to dribbling then you have exhausted your opportunity to dribble as you no longer have a pivot foot and your only options are shooting or passing.

What's your rule basis for this? Where does it say you must have a pivot foot in order to dribble?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I have to disagree with you. If you have no pivot foot, which is the case in this one, or you have lifted your pivot foot in the air prior to dribbling then you have exhausted your opportunity to dribble as you no longer have a pivot foot and your only options are shooting or passing.

Rule 4-44-4 b would disagree with you....

4-44 Traveling...
ART 4. After coming to a stop when neither foot can be a pivot:
a One or both fee may be lifted, but may not be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or a try for a goal
b. Neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.

I don't want to have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious. What if a player grabbed a rebound, and while both feet were still in the air, started a dribble? Legal?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't want to have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious. What if a player grabbed a rebound, and while both feet were still in the air, started a dribble? Legal?

Of course.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I don't want to have a dog in this fight, but I'm curious. What if a player grabbed a rebound, and while both feet were still in the air, started a dribble? Legal?

As Bob said...of course.

Why you might wonder...because it is BEFORE the pivot foot (which is yet to be determined) is lifted.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I have to disagree with you. If you have no pivot foot, which is the case in this one, or you have lifted your pivot foot in the air prior to dribbling then you have exhausted your opportunity to dribble as you no longer have a pivot foot and your only options are shooting or passing.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Rule 4-44-4 b would disagree with you....

4-44 Traveling...
ART 4. After coming to a stop when neither foot can be a pivot:
a One or both fee may be lifted, but may not be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or a try for a goal
b. Neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble.

Game, set, match!