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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 05:31pm
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2 steps without dribbling on fastbreak

why is it not a travel on a fast break when a player catches the ball and then takes his or her 2 steps towards the basket for a lay-up and it is any other time????
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why is it not a travel on a fast break when a player catches the ball and then takes his or her 2 steps towards the basket for a lay-up and it is any other time????


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By definition, if A1 catches a pass, gains control of the ball (assuming he did not already have control of ball), or stops his dribble with both feet in the air, then he is allowed to land on one foot (his left (LF) foot for this illustration), jump off the LF, land on his RF, then jump in the air off his RF and release the ball for a try or pass. That is not traveling.

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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 05:56pm
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why is it not a travel on a fast break when a player catches the ball and then takes his or her 2 steps towards the basket for a lay-up and it is any other time????
Because the rules don't say anything about "two steps" (or any other number of steps).

If the player doesn't move his / her pivot foot in excess of what's allowed, it's legal. If s/he does, it's illegal -- whether on a fast-break layup or any other time.
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so its really one step correct? just as if you were standing with the ball and left foot is pivot and then u step out with ur right foot and jump off ur rt. foot to pass or shoot..
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 06:03pm
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so its really one step correct?
Wrong.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 06:07pm
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so its really one step correct? just as if you were standing with the ball and left foot is pivot and then u step out with ur right foot and jump off ur rt. foot to pass or shoot..
No, bob just told you that there is no set amount of steps. The rule does work that way. The traveling rule hinges upon the movement of the pivot foot. You need to learn how a pivot foot is established and how it can legally be moved and how it can't. Then you will understand your posed situation.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 07:33pm
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The traveling rule is one of the most misunderstood rules in basketball. To start a dribble, the ball must be released before the pivot foot is lifted. On a pass or a shot, the pivot foot may be lifted, but may not return to the floor before the ball is released.
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The traveling rule is all about the pivot foot. If you understand which foot is the pivot foot and what can be done with the pivot foot, then everything else because very easy. The problem is we call thing that "look funny" but we do not identify the pivot foot or what was done with that foot.

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The traveling rule is all about the pivot foot. If you understand which foot is the pivot foot and what can be done with the pivot foot, then everything else because very easy. The problem is we call things that "look funny" but we do not identify the pivot foot or what was done with that foot.

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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 08:34pm
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I think your brain was moving faster than your fingers.
It is called a typo. Those tend to happen from time to time.

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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 09:19pm
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why is it not a travel on a fast break when a player catches the ball and then takes his or her 2 steps towards the basket for a lay-up and it is any other time????
virtually, on the play you are talking about in particular, the "two steps" you refer to are legal, because the player catches the ball and lands on his first foot, which is now considered his pivot, followed by his second, which is his non pivot. A player is allowed to come off of his pivot foot but is not allowed to put that pivot foot back down, until he shoots or passes. He is not allowed to dribble as he has no pivot foot at this point in time, and as we all know you must have a pivot foot in order to dribble.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 09:37pm
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as we all know you must have a pivot foot in order to dribble.
A player can start a dribble before establishing a pivot foot. After some jump stops neither foot may be the pivot foot but a dribble can be started.
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Old Fri Dec 19, 2008, 09:52pm
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A player can start a dribble before establishing a pivot foot. After some jump stops neither foot may be the pivot foot but a dribble can be started.
you do have a pivot foot it just is not designated yet. plays such as the one stated and a play where the player jumps in the air and then decides that he/she wanted to dribble instead are cases in which they no longer have a pivot foot. Trying to be smart and literal about the rules will get you nowhere.
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