Multiple pre-game dunks.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You might wish to refresh yourself on the proper mechanic for handling a pregame dunk.

Nevadaref: I understand the rule, and the various permutations of double, false double, seat belt, ejections, etc., but I'm not aware of any specific NFHS mechanics for pregame dunks. Are you saying to treat it like any other technical foul, whistle, fist, etc.? If not, can you refresh us on the proper mechanics for this specific play, either NFHS, or NCAA?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nevadaref: I understand the rule, and the various permutations of double, false double, seat belt, ejections, etc., but I'm not aware of any specific NFHS mechanics for pregame dunks. Are you saying to treat it like any other technical foul, whistle, fist, etc.? If not, can you refresh us on the proper mechanics for this specific play, either NFHS, or NCAA?

It has been a while since this came up, so I don't recall where I read it, but it was published somewhere.

The procedure given was:
No whistle, inform team member, inform coach, inform table crew.

I'll see if I can locate the source.

[Nevadaref]

I'm not very good with the search function on this forum, but I did find this:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

We tell all of our officials in a pre-season meeting how we want them to handle pre-game dunks. We want it called uniformly in all games; that way nobody has any complaints:
- a pre-game dunk is never ignored. It must be called.
- Do not sound your whistle, but immediately go and tell the dunker that he has just earned himself a technical foul.
- Now go the dunker's head coach and immediately inform him/her the number of their player that just received the dunking "T". Also inform the head coach that he/she will also be charged with an indirect "T" and has lost the right to use the coaching box for the entire game.
- Inform the scorer - get the player "T" and indirect "T" to the coach entered in the score book. Also make sure that one foul gets charged towards the first-half bonus and the scorer knows how to set the AP arrow after the free throws for the "T".
- Inform the opposing coach that his team will start the game with 2 free throws and a throw-in at center.

In your situation, there ain't much you can do if the officials on the game choose to ignore it. Just shake your head and forget it. Not a bad idea to make it part of your own pre-game though so your crew gets it right.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Dec 23rd, 2005 at 06:39 PM]

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Nevadaref: I understand the rule, and the various permutations of double, false double, seat belt, ejections, etc., but I'm not aware of any specific NFHS mechanics for pregame dunks. Are you saying to treat it like any other technical foul, whistle, fist, etc.? If not, can you refresh us on the proper mechanics for this specific play, either NFHS, or NCAA?

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

It has been a while since this came up, so I don't recall where I read it, but it was published somewhere.

The procedure given was:
No whistle, inform team member, inform coach, inform table crew.

I'll see if I can locate the source.

Here is the specific direction from the NFHS for this:

10.3.3 SITUATION C:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start,
team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks. RULING: A1 and A2 are
both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly
with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose
of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period
the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the
whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box,
the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the
coaching box for the entire game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Here is the specific direction from the NFHS for this:

10.3.3 SITUATION C:

Fifteen minutes before the game is scheduled to start,
team member A1 dunks. Two minutes later A2 dunks. RULING: A1 and A2 are
both charged with a technical foul. In addition, the head coach is charged indirectly
with a technical foul for each act. The two fouls are team fouls for purpose
of reaching the bonus. When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period
the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the
whistle. If the game is played in a state which utilizes the optional coaching box,
the coach should be informed that he/she has lost the privilege of using the
coaching box for the entire game.

Hold on while I fax you a cookie. Or would you prefer a quarter so you can call someone who cares?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Here is the specific direction from the NFHS for this. 10.3.3 SITUATION C: When dunking occurs during the pregame practice period the official notifies the team member and the head coach, but does not sound the whistle.

Nevadaref: You the man !!! Wait. You've been working on this since Thursday morning, and are only now posting the conclusive caseplay. You can post an archived interpretation from seven years ago in a few minutes, and it takes you more than three days to post a caseplay from this year's casebook? You're weird.

Moderators: Close the thread. Nevadaref has left the building, without blowing his whistle.

[tjones1]

Let's say Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shimp all dunk during pre-game warm-ups.

The head coach is ejected.

Do all four indirects go to the head coach or does one go to the assistant who is now taking over for the head coach?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Let's say Larry, Moe, Curly, and Shimp all dunk during pre-game warm-ups.

The head coach is ejected.

Do all four indirects go to the head coach or does one go to the assistant who is now taking over for the head coach?

After the coach is gone...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

After the coach is gone...

I'd say it depends. If all four happened prior to the coach being notified, then he gets all four. If he gets notified, then Shimp adds his two cents' worth, new HC gets the 4th indirect.