Correctable Error?

[budjones05]

A1 is fouled by B1. The table says we are in the bonus. A1 shoots and misses the 1st shot when Team B rebounds the ball. The table buzzes us over and says its only 6 fouls. So I give team B the ball because of the POI since they had possession of the ball when the table buzz us over. Did I do this right? And if possible, can I have the case and rule book number. Thanks

[Adam]

Rule is 2-10, case play should be similar.

[Lotto]

Originally Posted by budjones05

A1 is fouled by B1. The table says we are in the bonus. A1 shoots and misses the 1st shot when Team B rebounds the ball. The table buzzes us over and says its only 6 fouls. So I give team B the ball because of the POI since they had possession of the ball when the table buzz us over. Did I do this right? And if possible, can I have the case and rule book number. Thanks

According to the NCAA casebook, you didn't do this right. The ruling makes sense in that it doesn't lead to A having lost the possession it deserved as a result of the foul.

A.R. 22. Before the bonus rule is in effect, B1 fouls A1. The official errs by awarding A1 a one-and-one attempt.
(3) A1 misses the front end of the one-and-one and the game clock starts, at which time the official detects the error;
RULING: (3) Team A shall be awarded the ball at a designated spot nearest to where the foul occurred. The free throw(s) and activity during it, other than any technical foul, a flagrant personal foul or an intentional personal foul shall be canceled. Any points scored, time consumed and additional activity that may occur before the recognition of the error, shall not be nullified.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Lotto

According to the NCAA casebook, you didn't do this right. The ruling makes sense in that it doesn't lead to A having lost the possession it deserved as a result of the foul.

A.R. 22. Before the bonus rule is in effect, B1 fouls A1. The official errs by awarding A1 a one-and-one attempt.
(3) A1 misses the front end of the one-and-one and the game clock starts, at which time the official detects the error;
RULING: (3) Team A shall be awarded the ball at a designated spot nearest to where the foul occurred. The free throw(s) and activity during it, other than any technical foul, a flagrant personal foul or an intentional personal foul shall be canceled. Any points scored, time consumed and additional activity that may occur before the recognition of the error, shall not be nullified.

other than points scored as a result of the unmerrited free throw...

I just wanted to clear that up for newer officials.

In other words, if A1 hits the first and misses the second now B rebounds and scores, A rebounds and scores and B once again before clock stops or error is recognized B would keep the four points it scored, A gets the two but loses the free throw and then they get the ball OOB nearest the spot where the fould occured.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

other than points scored as a result of the unmerrited free throw...

I just wanted to clear that up for newer officials.

In other words, if A1 hits the first and misses the second now B rebounds and scores, A rebounds and scores and B once again before clock stops or error is recognized B would keep the four points it scored, A gets the two but loses the free throw and then they get the ball OOB nearest the spot where the fould occured.

I'm not positive, but I think after all of this action, it would be too late to be corrected.

And if it's not, A would get the ball for an endline due to the POI, not the foul.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not positive, but I think after all of this action, it would be too late to be corrected.

And if it's not, A would get the ball for an endline due to the POI, not the foul.

You can correct a correctable error anytime as long as the clock hasn't stopped and restarted. In the example I gave the clock never stopped during the three trips up and down the floor. Technically if the game was played cleanly you could correct an error from the beginning of a qtr and the end of that qtr. You would look very foolish doing so though.

My spot may be wrong, but I think it is right.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

You can correct a correctable error anytime as long as the clock hasn't stopped and restarted. In the example I gave the clock never stopped during the three trips up and down the floor. Technically if the game was played cleanly you could correct an error from the beginning of a qtr and the end of that qtr. You would look very foolish doing so though.

My spot may be wrong, but I think it is right.

Nope, there are dead ball limitations as well. I believe it has to be discovered prior to the 2nd live ball after the clock starts.

As for the spot: once you have a change in possession, you'll go to POI after the correction.

[BLS]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

other than points scored as a result of the unmerrited free throw...

In other words, if A1 hits the first and misses the second now B rebounds and scores, A rebounds and scores and B once again before clock stops or error is recognized B would keep the four points it scored, A gets the two but loses the free throw and then they get the ball OOB nearest the spot where the fould occured.

The clock didn't stop, but didn't you had three dead balls (after each score)?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by budjones05

A1 is fouled by B1. The table says we are in the bonus. A1 shoots and misses the 1st shot when Team B rebounds the ball. The table buzzes us over and says its only 6 fouls. So I give team B the ball because of the POI since they had possession of the ball when the table buzz us over. Did I do this right? And if possible, can I have the case and rule book number. Thanks

2.10.1G(c)

You were right.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

2.10.1G(c)

You were right.

So A's unmerited free throws are canceled, and instead A is awarded.........
nothing. This one kinda sucks, doesn't it?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So A's unmerited free throws are canceled, and instead A is awarded.........
nothing. This one kinda sucks, doesn't it?

I'm not a fan, either. I'd like to see A get the ball at the spot of the foul on this. I think the Fed considers this a change in possession (A shooting, B rebounding).

[BBall_Junkie]

W Sohl...

Snaqs, Rocky and Mr. West all have this correct. Once you re-read 2-10 I think you will agree as well.

[w_sohl]

Thanks guys for making me look this up. I have forever thought that the way I described it was correct. I am going to delete my post so as to not confuse new officials.

I'm kind of embarassed. I've been doing this for far to long to think that was correct.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not a fan, either. I'd like to see A get the ball at the spot of the foul on this.

I agree with you. Correction, though. I said A gets nothing. They do get the opportunity to rebound their own missed free throw. Still kinda sucks.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I agree with you. Correction, though. I said A gets nothing. They do get the opportunity to rebound their own missed free throw. Still kinda sucks.

If they'd made the free throw, you could cancel the FT and give A the ball for the throwin.