What would you have done?

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It was a catch inbounds & a heave... partner said he had nada

Bad partner, always have a backcourt count, even if it is not visual.

I didn't think visual & mental counts could be used one in the same... the mental counts don't show up on tape to support us taking time off the clock

Your three second count is not visual. The rule says definate knowledge, if you have a count in your head that is definate knowledge, it doesn't call for you to visually count.

Dont know about that but I'll check into it, I like the visual counts myself, not making up a count

In federation you really are not supposed to do that, in college they want you to give your best estimate if there is no exact knowledge or a monitor to give the information, but I doubt there is a person in the gym that is going to argue if you did that. they do not know that it is not definate knowledge and I would bet you would be fairly close too.

I hear you & we did all that, I said he intercepted me but failed to mention that he fumbled me too...

Say it a second time and then if he persists WHACK for interfering with you doing you job.

Did that... so I should've traded in one problem child for another? I figured he was the best they had to offer...

It is the job of the administration to provide someone acceptable to you to run the clock that may mean that one of them has to do it.


It is a bad situation and if this place is a part of the regular High school league they need to abide by those rules. You need to inform the league of the situation so that they can address it with the school. Let's face it you probably do not want to go back there and deal with that again. I imagine that most people would not either. So if they want professional officials they need to provide a professional atmosphere for them to work in.

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I wasn't there so I do not know how bad it was I think you did a fairly respectable job in handling the situation - I just think given your description there were some things you might have done differently, the most important would be to always have an idea of how much time has run off the clock any time you are having problems with a timer.

Clock awareness is a big thing and it is something that you have to concentrate on and work hard at. It will save you a lot of grief when you get good at it.

You will find that clock awareness is not only the proper stoping and starting of the clock, knowing when if the clock didn't start - to blow it dead, (you made the decision not to kill the play so you should have started a count to allow for definate knowledge) or let them play on, and count, until you can stop and correct the time. It will evolve into handling the shot clock, the resets, all of which become second nature.

If when you killed the clock you would have walked toward the table and said "timer please put 2:16 on the clock" - "Now coach what is it I can do for you?" that situation is done.

If you had done that earlier in the game when you saw you were going to have this issue, the coach probably would not have even said anything to you because he would have known you had it under control.

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Bad partner, always have a backcourt count, even if it is not visual.

I wouldn't say that, my partner was really good (SoCal)

Your three second count is not visual. The rule says definate knowledge, if you have a count in your head that is definate knowledge, it doesn't call for you to visually count.

I don't know if you're IAABO or not but our mechanics book says:
All situations that involve counting, except the 3 second rule require the official to display a visual count.

In federation you really are not supposed to do that, in college they want you to give your best estimate if there is no exact knowledge or a monitor to give the information, but I doubt there is a person in the gym that is going to argue if you did that. they do not know that it is not definate knowledge and I would bet you would be fairly close too.

Okay so you're sharing some next level stuff with me... COOL!! I do aspire to call beyond HS but I will only do HS mechanics for HS games as anything more or less is truly frowned upon in these parts.
Thanks for explaining the differences though, good to know!

It is the job of the administration to provide someone acceptable to you to run the clock that may mean that one of them has to do it.

Every adult in the gym was supervising their particular # of inmates. But I hear you...

It is a bad situation and if this place is a part of the regular High school league they need to abide by those rules. You need to inform the league of the situation so that they can address it with the school. Let's face it you probably do not want to go back there and deal with that again. I imagine that most people would not either. So if they want professional officials they need to provide a professional atmosphere for them to work in.

I wouldn't mind going back, I'd have a different pre-game with my partner & we'd handle it once again. I look forward to any unusual opportunity to do my thing. I believe that experience will only make me better. Plus it was one of the most competitive games I've had so far.

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I don't know if you're IAABO or not but our mechanics book says:
All situations that involve counting, except the 3 second rule require the official to display a visual count.

I understand what you are saying about a count being visual. i believe that the reference would be to an official count (closely guarded, backcourt, inbound) but I do not see anyone giving you grief for a non visual count on the clock if you are having operator problems.

Example:

let us take a situation with only 3 seconds on the clock the ball is inbounded and a baseball pass (you notice the clock not running) caught in the lane and a try goes up and a miss, a rebound, a miss, a rebound, and a stick back goes in. You look up and the clock says 3 seconds?

What do you do?

Gotcha! That obviously took longer than 3 seconds, but with my mental count the game was over before the made bucket.

Thanks