disqualified player and no replacement

[ctpfive]

This is a sub-varsity game - player picks up 5th foul with 1.4 seconds remaining. The coach sent the players that were sitting on the bench with him to the locker room because they dress out for varsity game to follow. So, there is no replacement player to replace the disqualified player. They are losing by 20. What is the ruling here?

[Adam]

Play with 4.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Play with 4.

Mr. Snaqs, Help me with this one. If V or H has legal subs in the book, is there no requirement that they find that sub. The other question is, if per the scorebook, they have legal subs can they not provide a sub without facing a T. Third, and most important, some states limit the number of quarters players play per night, if they must produce the legal sub in this sitch, that may be taking a quarter away from the varsity contest.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Mr. Snaqs, Help me with this one. If V or H has legal subs in the book, is there no requirement that they find that sub. The other question is, if per the scorebook, they have legal subs can they not provide a sub without facing a T. Third, and most important, some states limit the number of quarters players play per night, if they must produce the legal sub in this sitch, that may be taking a quarter away from the varsity contest.

MHO - first, if the coach tells me he has no available players, regardless of whether they're listed in the book, I'm not arguing. They could all have become injured or ill for all I care.

Therefore, we'll play with 4.

As for the state limits on quarters, that is not an official's responsibility and should have no bearing.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

MHO - first, if the coach tells me he has no available players, regardless of whether they're listed in the book, I'm not arguing. They could all have become injured or ill for all I care.

Therefore, we'll play with 4.

As for the state limits on quarters, that is not an official's responsibility and should have no bearing.

It only comes into the discussion as a secondary point....NO state anywhere will ever issue a ruling that requires a player to play in a JV game when it jeopardizes thier planned eligibility for the varsity game...varsity comes first. So, if the JV coach says player X can't play, then player X doesn't play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Mr. Snaqs, Help me with this one. If V or H has legal subs in the book, is there no requirement that they find that sub. The other question is, if per the scorebook, they have legal subs can they not provide a sub without facing a T. Third, and most important, some states limit the number of quarters players play per night, if they must produce the legal sub in this sitch, that may be taking a quarter away from the varsity contest.

1. Don't make the coach lie. Some coaches will put their entire roster in the book every game even though some kids might be gone for whatever reason. A4 might have learned a relative died. A43 might have come up with pink eye.

2. If coach says they can't play, they can't play. The reason doesn't matter.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It only comes into the discussion as a secondary point....NO state anywhere will ever issue a ruling that requires a player to play in a JV game when it jeopardizes thier planned eligibility for the varsity game...varsity comes first. So, if the JV coach says player X can't play, then player X doesn't play.

That agrees with my take on this issue and if the rules do not indicate so, they should.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

That agrees with my take on this issue and if the rules do not indicate so, they should.

The rules don't require us to check a player's eligibility; so if a coach says a player can't play, he can't play.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Some coaches will put their entire roster in the book every game even though some kids might be gone for whatever reason.

According to IAABO (not necessarily NFHS), this is illegal. Why, you may ask? NFHS 4-34-3: A team member is a member of bench personnel who is in uniform and is eligible to become a player; was given as the citation. Good grief.

[fullor30]

Going over the rule book curled up on the couch before a crackling fire and a cup of cocoa to keep me warm, I read that you can play with one player if the officials think there is a chance for the team to win.

That said, has anyone had a game that wound up with 3, 2, or 1 player left?

Many times with four, but never less.

That motion offense with one player must be one for the ages........

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Going over the rule book curled up on the couch before a crackling fire and a cup of cocoa to keep me warm, I read that you can play with one player if the officials think there is a chance for the team to win.

That said, has anyone had a game that wound up with 3, 2, or 1 player left?

Many times with four, but never less.

That motion offense with one player must be one for the ages........

Had a game with 2 remaining...and one of them had 4 fouls. They were man points ahead when they dropped below 5 and held on to win by a few. It was a middle school game.

[Stat-Man]

About 7 or so years ago, I was at a CYO gaem (5th & 6th grade girls) where we were away and the home team barely had five players -- the 5th player showed up right as the warm-up countdown was reaching 0:00.

Home team had two players foul out back to back in the 4th quarter and had to finish with three. Despite having a 5 on 3 advantage for a minute and a half, we couldn't score and lost by the whopping score of 8-6.

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Last summer at a college summer league semifinal, the "house team" only had players and two fouled out. Coach spent several minutes accusing me of cheating while the referees just stood there watching listening One reason out of many I will most likely never go back there again.