T or no T! what do you think?

[chrs_schuster]

Sitch: Boys V game about 10 seconds left in 4th, score all knotted up. I'm trail administering to Team A at midcourt after timeout. Player A2 inbounds to A1 he dribbles a little then drives the lane. Blows the bunny! Team B rebounds with 2 seconds left, calls timeout. Drops ball and runs to bench. Here is the question. Player A1 grabs ball and slams it about 10 feet in air! Frustration? or pissed about no foul call?..not sure. I almost T but think to myself, do I want to possibly end game on T! Both teams are not going to state(last year by the way)So I swallow whistle! I go over to him tell him not to do that again. Go to overtime and team A wins. I talked to a bunch a fellow officials some say Automatic T, some say good no call! What say you?

[refnrev]

Go to the post Automatic T on p. 4 of this forum. Lots of disucssion on similar play.

[Adam]

Personally, I'd handle it the same way you did in either the first or fourth quarter; don't worry about ending the game on the T or not. This is one of those times you either talk to him, or have his captain do it, or his coach.

Since you weren't sure who it was directed at I think a no-call is best. Now, if he's glaring at you as he does it, or he does it after you ask him for the ball, or he's done it earlier and you've talked to him; whack-a-mole time.

Not automatic, though, in my book.

[muxbule]

See "National Championship game" sitch very close to yours with a no call.

[Nevadaref]

Whack.

Doesn't matter why he did it.

You don't ajudge the why. You only ajudge the action.

[just another ref]

I don't think I could overlook this one. The action itself is bad enough, but it this particular situation apparently the player was not already holding the ball.

Team B rebounds with 2 seconds left, calls timeout. Drops ball and runs to bench.

So it seems that A1 picked the ball up just for the purpose of slamming it on the floor. I think this is over the line. An orchestrated display, in my opinion, is that much worse than one that is totally spontaneous.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't think I could overlook this one. The action itself is bad enough, but it this particular situation apparently the player was not already holding the ball.

So it seems that A1 picked the ball up just for the purpose of slamming it on the floor. I think this is over the line. An orchestrated display, in my opinion, is that much worse than one that is totally spontaneous.

JAR brings up an interesting point that puts another layer of complexity on this situation making it somewhat different from others we have discussed.

This is an overt act - to apparently go get the ball for the purpose of slamming it down in disgust/frustration, as opposed to a spontaneous reaction.

Each case must be judged on its own merit - and, right or wrong, you chose not to "T" in this case.

Side comment - First "T" I ever gave was a game I was forced into action for my son (12). I "T'd" HIM up for slamming the ball almost to the ceiling out of frustration - he knew better. Mom and GRANDPARENTS in the crowd. While the temp was pleasant outside, it was a somewhat cold and icy ride home.....

[mick]

Originally Posted by chrs_schuster

Player A1 grabs ball and slams it about 10 feet in air!

Although the other points made to whack the player are sound, a ball bouncing 10' in the air is hardly a slam.
My automatics would be, at least, above the rim.

[cdaref]

Originally Posted by chrs_schuster

I almost T but think to myself, do I want to possibly end game on T!

I remember as a younger official asking this of a senior official. He said to me that if I am worrying about how *I* am ending the game then I am already thinking about the situation in the wrong way. *I* dont end the game, the players do. I'm not responsible for what they do. I'm responsible for enforcing the rules while using appropriate judgment. He said, judge the act and if possible the intent (looking at you, showing you up, acting in anger, etc), but always allow for the appropriate passion of a tight and excellent athletic contest. I dont like the fact that he went over to get the ball to spike it. And if it was a big spike, that sounds like a whack. But the criteria in my mind are what he did and why, not whether or not *I* am worried about how *I* and the game. Being in those situations and making those tough calls is what they pay us to do and what we train to do. I'm not criticizing, just sharing some wisdom that helped me.

[pizanno]

Late to the party, but here's my $0.02

Player A1 grabs ball and slams it about 10 feet in air!

I'm thinking since you used "slams" plus an apostrophe, it merited a T

Frustration? or pissed about no foul call?..not sure.

No matter

I almost T but think to myself, do I want to possibly end game on T!

Since when do we get to write the script?

Both teams are not going to state(last year by the way)

Absolutely not your concern.

I go over to him tell him not to do that again.

Do you mean "Kid...you got away with one", or "If you do that again in another game in the same situation, I won't call it again, so please don't to that"

I talked to a bunch a fellow officials some say Automatic T, some say good no call! What say you?

I say T, but more importantly, what did your Supervisor say?

[TravelinMan]

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I'm thinking since you used "slams" plus an apostrophe, it merited a T
Pizanno, fyi - that's exclamation point (!), not apostrophe (')

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I go over to him tell him not to do that again.
T him, then talk to him so he doesn't commit a second T and get tossed. First T you couldn't warn him before it happened because you didn't know he would be that stupid to do that! (proper use of exclamation point)

[pizanno]

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I'm thinking since you used "slams" plus an apostrophe, it merited a T
Pizanno, fyi - that's exclamation point (!), not apostrophe (')

Thanks, Travelin. I guess I missed the point, or the period!

[TravelinMan]

Touche Pizanno! Good to meet you. I can see you're a good sport.