Headband or Hair Control Device?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Do the headband restrictions apply to all contests or all varsity contests? I don't think I've seen the clarification.

-Josh

It is a rule. That means it applies to all levels.

That being said, just like many things at the lower level, you might not nitpick over many uniform rules in order to have kids play. I would check with the people in your area about that, but I know that often times we get warm-up uniforms and it is hard to be so picky about every aspect of ever so-called uniform violation. But this rule is easily to comply with and I really do not see why on some level it cannot be followed.

Peace

[Adam]

I'm with Rut on this. I enforce the headbands at all scholastic levels.

YMCA, I leave it alone.

AAU, it depends.

I look at it this way, if I'm going to enforce T-shirt colors, I'll enforce headband and wristband restrictions.

If I'm not going to enforce T-shirt colors, I'll leave the headbands and wristbands alone as well.

[stosh]

I am still a bit confused about whether pre-wrap or a 3/8" headband that goes from the top of the head and around the bottom of a ponytail really is going "around the head". I think one way to deal with it is to ask the player or coach "is that hair control or a headband?"

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by stosh

I am still a bit confused about whether pre-wrap or a 3/8" headband that goes from the top of the head and around the bottom of a ponytail really is going "around the head". I think one way to deal with it is to ask the player or coach "is that hair control or a headband?"

I would consider anything that is larger than 1/2 to 1 inch (typical pony tail size), when worn, as hair control device. If it's sitting on the top of the head, it's a head band.

-Josh

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stosh

I am still a bit confused about whether pre-wrap or a 3/8" headband that goes from the top of the head and around the bottom of a ponytail really is going "around the head". I think one way to deal with it is to ask the player or coach "is that hair control or a headband?"

I wouldn't ask the coach. The definition is clear. If it goes around the head (meaning any "diameter" passes through the skull), it's a headband. If it only goes around the hair (defines / forms a pony tail), then it's not.

[stosh]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I wouldn't ask the coach. The definition is clear. If it goes around the head (meaning any "diameter" passes through the skull), it's a headband. If it only goes around the hair (defines / forms a pony tail), then it's not.

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by stosh

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

No matter what else it does or doesn't do, if it goes around her head, it is a headband.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by stosh

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

They are both headbands. One is also a sweatband. See Ceasers' Ghost post above.

The rule isn't "sweatbands can be any color".

And, I don't think the pre-wrap goes "around her ponytail." I think it goes "under" her ponytail.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by stosh

Bob, I agree with you, but when I put it to my daughter she disagreed and here is why:

She wears a headband around the circumfrence of her head to absorb sweat. She wears prewrap from the top of her head and around her ponytail to keep her bangs out of her eyes. If she move the headband up, it will keep the bangs out of her eyes but it wont absorb the sweat. If she moves the prewrap down, it won't do either! She contends, and I tend to agree with her, that the prewrap is purely hair control. Luckily, I won't be the one making the decision at her games.

(Oh, and no, cutting her bangs is not an option!)

Ask your daughter to locate the crown of her head.

3-5-3b. A headband is any item that goes around the entire head. If worn, only one
headband is permitted, it must be worn on the forehead/crown, it must be
nonabrasive and unadorned, and it must be a maximum of 2 inches.

[jdmara]

Thanks for the clarification. Personally, I'm not too picky about it. One of my partners took it to the extreme the other night and enforced the headband because it was a different shade. I claimed color=blindness and said I couldn't tell the difference

-Josh

[Adam]

Wow! different shade? I only deal in primary colors.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wow! different shade? I only deal in primary colors.

It's easy to claim color blindness when shades are involved. I am color blind when it comes to shades, I'm a male

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

It's easy to claim color blindness when shades are involved. I am color blind when it comes to shades, I'm a male

-Josh

Yup. If I have a need for more detailed information, I'll have my wife to ask.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I enforce the headbands at all scholastic levels.

YMCA, I leave it alone.

AAU, it depends.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It is a rule. That means it applies to all levels.

That being said, just like many things at the lower level, you might not nitpick over many uniform rules in order to have kids play. I would check with the people in your area about that, but I know that often times we get warm-up uniforms and it is hard to be so picky about every aspect of ever so-called uniform violation. But this rule is easily to comply with and I really do not see why on some level it cannot be followed.

Concur with Snaqs and JRut. But this is where I personally run into issues. At what level do you go 100% by the book (V) and at what level do you say it's ok not to be 100% by the book and use some discretion? Where does the gray area begin?

Example - Regarless of level the jewelry policy stands (none). Hair restraints (all). Blood or injury (all). At V level we do uniforms (white and black) below this (JV and below?) we do light and dark (by reg).

How about, you need to have the book filled out 10 min early (V and JV) At what level are we just fortunate to have a book to start the game and not assess a T (7th, 8th, MS)? Putting names in the book late or not having the starters marked (what level)? Illegal jersey logo as hand me downs (what grade level) - T?

It's similar to "loosening up your standards a bit" to ref a 11/12 yr old rec game (travelling) vs what you would call for a V game.

Discretion is sometimes tough across the board and it makes it harder on the next set of refs who may have a differnt standard. Hence why I asked my Association to give me definite guidance on uniforms from my post last week. Just my $.02

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by grunewar

How about, you need to have the book filled out 10 min early (V and JV)

OK - I know this is changing the topic, but this is simply not true. I could care less if the book is filled out before 10 min., as long as both teams have supplied the scorer with their rosters and starters prior to the 10 min. mark...just a pet peeve. We now return you to the stimulating discussion of what constitutes going "around" the head.