Another striking the backboard question

[ranjo]

Had this happen in a high flying JV boys contest last night. White goes in for a lay-up and Green following on the play strikes the backboard while attempting to block the shot causing the backboard to sway. The ball bounces on the rim while the backboard is still moving and then falls off. Partner in trail (2 person) blows whistle and awards basket. I question him briefly on what he saw and decide to continue play as there seems to be no objection from either bench.

At halftime we pull out the casebook and go to 10.3.5 which gives an example of what happens if the ball goes in, and another example of a player pulling on the net and the ball not going in, but nothing that directly described our play. The comment given in the section states that the purpose of the rule is penalize intentional contact while a shot or try is involved. In our play, this was not the case, nor was an attempt to draw attention to the player or a venting of frustration. It also does not meet any of the criteria for basket interference.

I feel it was handled correctly and did not warrant a T, but cannot find rules justification to back it up.

Your comments please -

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ranjo

I feel it was handled correctly and did not warrant a T, but cannot find rules justification to back it up.

so, if it doesn't meet the criteria for BI or GT, how can points be awarded?

It's a no-call if the player was attempting to block the shot.

[newera21]

... The ball bounces on the rim while the backboard is still moving and then falls off. Partner in trail (2 person) blows whistle and awards basket...







No technical foul when contact with backboard is incidental to playing defense which sounds like the case here. It is NOT goaltending or basket interference. You should not have counted the basket-- it should have been a play on.

[JRutledge]

You guys obviously missed the POE this year. This is clearly stated in the POE this year and gives a rules reference on page 69. And it says why this would not be BI with another rules reference.

Peace

[ranjo]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You guys obviously missed the POE this year. This is clearly stated in the POE this year and gives a rules reference on page 69. And it says why this would not be BI with another rules reference.

Peace

You guys are right on! I pulled out the POE and read for myself. Thanks Rut and others - CASE CLOSED!

[Jay R]

Under FIBA rules; basket interference. A good FIBA rule IMHO.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Under FIBA rules; basket interference. A good FIBA rule IMHO.

Nope!!

Peace

[BillyMac]

A player cannot touch the ball, ring, or net while the ball is on the ring or within the basket. A player cannot touch the ball if it is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. These are examples of basket interference. It is legal to touch the ring or the net if the ball is above the ring and not touching the ring, even if the ball is in the imaginary cylinder above the ring. It is legal to hang on the ring if a player is avoiding an injury to himself or herself or another player.

The backboard has nothing to do with goaltending. Goaltending is contacting the ball on its downward flight, above the level of the rim, with a chance to go in. On most layups, the ball is going up after it contacts the backboard. It is legal to pin the ball against the backboard if it still on the way up and not in the imaginary cylinder above the basket. Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard, during a tap, or a try, so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Nope!!

Peace

Don't you think Jeff that when the backboard vibrates and a basket could possibly be taken away, that action should be penalized? In NFHS, a player could shake the backboard tremendously with no penalty. Yet, if he touches the rim slightly while the ball is on the rim, it is basket interference. This seems inconsistent in my mind. My two cents.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Don't you think Jeff that when the backboard vibrates and a basket could possibly be taken away, that action should be penalized? In NFHS, a player could shake the backboard tremendously with no penalty.

To make the backboard shake "tremendously," he's gonna have to do one of two things.

1. Slap it incredibly hard going for the block. He's gonna be sore.
2. Grab it and shake it. Call the T, it's no longer a legitimate attempt to block the shot.

Either way, not without penalty.

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

To make the backboard shake "tremendously," he's gonna have to do one of two things.

1. Slap it incredibly hard going for the block. He's gonna be sore.
2. Grab it and shake it. Call the T, it's no longer a legitimate attempt to block the shot.

Either way, not without penalty.

OK, maybe no the best choice of words. But, a player slapping the backboard can have an effect on a field goal.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jay R

OK, maybe no the best choice of words. But, a player slapping the backboard can have an effect on a field goal.

Yes, it certainly can have an effect on a field goal. And yet, by NFHS rules, there can be no points awarded.

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by Jay R

Under FIBA rules; basket interference. A good FIBA rule IMHO.

Only good if they revised the wording to say "Intentionally".

Good attempts at Defense should not be punished.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Only good if they revised the wording to say "Intentionally".

Good attempts at Defense should not be punished.

This would make it much like the NFHS rule.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Jay R

OK, maybe no the best choice of words. But, a player slapping the backboard can have an effect on a field goal.

You are correct that it can affect a shot, and I think that most officials have made this call at some point in their careers. However, if you set it in stone in your mind that the backboard can move violently on a legitimate block attempt on a shot, you realize that play goes on. At the higher levels, it happens more frequently, but rarely does it really vibrate a shot out of the hoop. Just one of those things.