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Foul Definition Help
Made the mistake of doing some reading of the rules book last night.
4-19 Art. 1... A personal foul is a player foul which involves illegal contact with an opponent while the ball is live, which hinders an opponent from performing normal defensive and offensive movements. A personal foul also includes contact by or on an airborne shooter when the ball is dead. Note: Contact after the ball has become dead is ignored unless it is ruled intentional or flagrant or is committed by or on an airborne shooter. The only situation where I can imagine a dead ball foul on an airborne shooter is on a dunk or maybe a tip, and the note suggests ignoring the contact unless flagrant or intentional. Why d'ya suppose the 'or on' is included in the definition? |
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A1 commences his/her shooting motion and gets hack on the arm by B2. Referee puts air in his/her whistle. After A1 releases the shot, but before returning to earth, he/she crashes into B3 who has LGP.
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Yes, this is a false double foul. You can't have a bucket due to the player control foul. No players along the lane and Team B will be awarded the ball following the last free throw. If the free throw is successful, the throw-in is from anywhere along the end line. If it's not, the throw-in is from a designated spot nearest the foul. |
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In your sitch, the foul 'ON' the airborne..
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I'm asking why the rules book includes fouls 'ON' the airborne shooter (not 'by') when the ball is dead. |
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Lightbulb on!
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you are 100% correct. ha, i had just crafted a 'no i'm not misunderstanding the note' reply... was just reading it before posting.... and my comprehender finally kicked in. Dunker A1 (airborne shooter) throws down and is then fouled by B2: Count the basket. A1 gets a free-throw. Even though A1 was fouled during a dead ball. Perfect. |
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tjones1 - Thanks for the touchback! I can't say that I've encountered that particular sitch in my young officiating career. Although I would've waved off the bucket, I doubt that I would've cleared the lane for the FTs. But it makes sense.
Now I own that play when/if it ever comes about. And I didn't even have to learn by making the mistake in a live game situation ![]() I love this place! |
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Wrong ruling even back then! |
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Bobby Cox Has Seen This Signal At Least 132 Times ...
I wish it was the "You're Outta Here" signal that baseball umpires use. But, unfortunately, it isn't.
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No. Seriously. Is there a sign to indicate that it was flagrant and the subsequent ejection?
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No. The official simply reports that information to the table when reporting the foul and then notifies the Head Coach of the disqualification.
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