loose ball situation

[Spence]

Originally Posted by rlarry

Violation. kicking

Do we consider the act of wrapping one's legs around the ball to be "striking" the ball as it says in the rulebook?

[rlarry]

Yes. It is using the legs to secure the ball. I will admit this is my 1st year of college, so reading 2 rule books I can't find it for you. You want to use your legs play soccer.

Edit: NCAA Case Book: A.R 100
NFHS Rule Book 9.4 Where the rule uses the word strike, I believe is in regard to using the fist. With kicking it is intent

[Spence]

Originally Posted by rlarry

Yes. It is using the legs to secure the ball. I will admit this is my 1st year of college, so reading 2 rule books I can't find it for you. You want to use your legs play soccer.

Edit: NCAA Case Book: A.R 100
NFHS Rule Book 9.4 Where the rule uses the word strike, I believe is in regard to using the fist. With kicking it is intent

4-29 says kicking is the act of intentionally striking the ball with any part of the leg or foot.

9-4 says a player shall not "..., intentionally kick it as in 4-29...."

Are there interps that include "clutching the ball with one's legs" in the kicking category?

[rlarry]

Originally Posted by Spence

4-29 says kicking is the act of intentionally striking the ball with any part of the leg or foot.

9-4 says a player shall not "..., intentionally kick it as in 4-29...."

Are there interps that include "clutching the ball with one's legs" in the kicking category?

I don't want to argue with you but to your question, yes "clutching the ball with ones legs" involves intent

[Spence]

Originally Posted by rlarry

I don't want to argue with you but to your question, yes "clutching the ball with ones legs" involves intent

Not looking to argue. I'm a new ref and I just want to learn and interpret the rules correctly. My questions arose because there is no wording dealing with the "clutch" issue.

[Adam]

It's generally accepted that for this purpose, "clutching" is similar to "striking."

[rlarry]

I'm pretty sure the rule is the same in HS as NCAA. I can't find an Interp for HS, Here is the Ncaa interp and rule:

A.R. 100. A1 is dribbling the ball and falls to the floor while still dribbling.
While seated on the floor, A1 loses the ball and it is rolling
away. As B1 comes in to try to get the ball, A1 reaches out
with his or her legs, clamps the loose ball between his or her
feet and brings it toward his or her body. A1 never places his or
her hands on the ball. The ball is between A1’s legs as B1 gets
both hands on the ball.
RULING: A held ball cannot be called because A1 does not have his
or her hands on the ball. A1 is intentionally using his or her feet to
play the ball. This is illegal and a kicking violation shall be called on
A1.

Rule 4 Section 45. Kicking the Ball
Art. 1. Kicking the ball is striking it intentionally with any part of the leg
or the foot.

Hopefully one of the veterans can set it straight.
Have a good season Spence

[Back In The Saddle]

AFAIK, there is no corresponding NFHS interp. We've discussed this many times. I think most here are in agreement that "clutching," which is intentionally contacting and playing the ball with the legs, is a violation of the prohibition against kicking. I've even called one of these in the last month. But there is no direct rule or case support for it in NFHS.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Spence

Not looking to argue. I'm a new ref and I just want to learn and interpret the rules correctly. My questions arose because there is no wording dealing with the "clutch" issue.

You are correct. You'll find that many rules are written in a compact and simple manner...without fully detailing all possibilities. You often have to understand what the purpose of the rule is in order understand all the scenarios that it applies to (or doesn't apply to). The letter of the rule is not alway sufficient to properly apply the rule. This is necessary in order to prevent the rulebook from rivaling the US Tax Code.