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OHBBREF Tue Oct 28, 2008 02:05pm

loose ball situation
 
A1 looses control of the ball and falls to the floor.
B1 dives for the loose ball also.
A1 cannot get her hands on the ball so she clamps both legs around the ball just as B1 puts her hands on the ball.

Both players call TO at the same time.

What you got?

Raymond Tue Oct 28, 2008 02:06pm

A violation on A1.

rlarry Tue Oct 28, 2008 02:06pm

Violation. kicking

Raymond Tue Oct 28, 2008 02:11pm

For an NCAA reference check A.R. 100.

bob jenkins Tue Oct 28, 2008 03:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 546591)
A1 looses control of the ball and falls to the floor.
B1 dives for the loose ball also.
A1 cannot get her hands on the ball so she clamps both legs around the ball just as B1 puts her hands on the ball.

Both players call TO at the same time.

What you got?


With all these questions, you must be taking a test.

OHBBREF Tue Oct 28, 2008 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 546631)
With all these questions, you must be taking a test.

just going through my old study materials and meeting questions to get my pre-games ready for this year, my last scrimage is Saturday, and the first NAIA games are Friday 10/31, so I thought I'd through out some of the more interesting stuff I had archived to see what came of it.

NoFear Tue Oct 28, 2008 04:36pm

If A1 ended the dribble after s/he losses it, then a, b, and c, are illegal.

justacoach Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoFear (Post 546661)
If A1 ended the dribble after s/he losses it, then a, b, and c, are illegal.


Huh???????

Rule reference, please.......

Adam Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoFear (Post 546661)
If A1 ended the dribble after s/he losses it, then a, b, and c, are illegal.

I'm with coach. Are you sure you responded to the right thread?

Spence Thu Oct 30, 2008 08:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 546593)
Violation. kicking

Do we consider the act of wrapping one's legs around the ball to be "striking" the ball as it says in the rulebook?

rlarry Thu Oct 30, 2008 08:32am

Yes. It is using the legs to secure the ball. I will admit this is my 1st year of college, so reading 2 rule books I can't find it for you. You want to use your legs play soccer.

Edit: NCAA Case Book: A.R 100
NFHS Rule Book 9.4 Where the rule uses the word strike, I believe is in regard to using the fist. With kicking it is intent

Spence Thu Oct 30, 2008 08:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 547074)
Yes. It is using the legs to secure the ball. I will admit this is my 1st year of college, so reading 2 rule books I can't find it for you. You want to use your legs play soccer.

Edit: NCAA Case Book: A.R 100
NFHS Rule Book 9.4 Where the rule uses the word strike, I believe is in regard to using the fist. With kicking it is intent

4-29 says kicking is the act of intentionally striking the ball with any part of the leg or foot.

9-4 says a player shall not "..., intentionally kick it as in 4-29...."

Are there interps that include "clutching the ball with one's legs" in the kicking category?

rlarry Thu Oct 30, 2008 09:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spence (Post 547081)
4-29 says kicking is the act of intentionally striking the ball with any part of the leg or foot.

9-4 says a player shall not "..., intentionally kick it as in 4-29...."

Are there interps that include "clutching the ball with one's legs" in the kicking category?

I don't want to argue with you but to your question, yes "clutching the ball with ones legs" involves intent

Spence Thu Oct 30, 2008 09:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by rlarry (Post 547087)
I don't want to argue with you but to your question, yes "clutching the ball with ones legs" involves intent

Not looking to argue. I'm a new ref and I just want to learn and interpret the rules correctly. My questions arose because there is no wording dealing with the "clutch" issue.

Adam Thu Oct 30, 2008 09:15am

It's generally accepted that for this purpose, "clutching" is similar to "striking."


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