How Far is Too Far?

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

anything you have listed there could result in a "T"
but sometimes it isn't what but how, things are said.
You will know when to Whack a coach, it just presents itself on a big platter in front of you, it looks like a pumpkin at 40 miles an hour belt high (pardon the baseball reference) and you get to WHACK it out of the park.

be patient though, you do not want to be quick draw, but do not get walked all over either.

You are kidding right? If I'm reading what you wrote, a young official will know when to whack a coach. Uh, if you think so.

Many young officials let a coach go totally over the line and they learn from experience. One way to learn is ask as the OP has done and some of the responses have been very good. But some...

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Spence

You suck.

"T" will be served

Originally Posted by Spence

That call sucked

Depends on his behavior and demeanor up to that point. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If he's been whining since the tip, this would be a good jump off point.

Originally Posted by Spence

That was a garbage calll.

Same as above.

Originally Posted by Spence

Are you blind?

"T" will be served

I agree with the philosophy of taking care of all of 'em early if coach knows you're a rookie. He's likely just testing your limits.

Good post. I like the variety of opinions here.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Remember, some coaches take timeouts just to talk with the official. It's his timeout and if he wants to waste it on you fill flattered (haha) and let him say his peace. Whether he gets a T or not is on him.

If a coach takes a timeout to talk to me he will be disappointed. Yes, I will walk him back to the huddle, but the timeout will not be spent to argue a call. When a coach asks a question in a respectful manner it doesn't take long to give a respectful answer so the whole timeout will not be spent on it. More times than not, the question isn't asked in this manner and zero time will be spent answering it.

JMHO

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Spence

Scenario: Team A calls a TO and I know that the HC is upset over some callsw. He or his assistants leaves the huddle and wants to have a conversation with me.

Do I leave my position or do I just ignore the request?

Well, they could talk to the assistant officials. Oh, there are none.

HC depends how his demeanor is and if he has a question on a particular play.

[BillyMac]

Top Reasons To Give A Technical Foul
There are many different factors to consider when deciding to give a technical foul. Generally, there are three areas of coach's behavior that need attention: when a coach makes it personal, when a coach draws attention to himself or herself, and when a coach's complaints are persistent.

Some technical fouls are easy. They are black and white situations that leave little room for negotiation:
Using profanity or language that is abusive, vulgar, or obscene.
A coach questions your integrity.
Inciting an undesirable crowd reaction.
A coach is embarrassing an official.
A coach or player has been warned and has not heeded the warning.
Leaving the confines of the coaching box and complaining.
A coach demonstrates displeasure with your partner and their back is turned.

Other technical fouls are not as black and white. In some situations, a warning may be appropriate before the technical foul is given:
A coach or player continually demonstrates signals or asks for calls.
If they have interfered with the game or your concentration, then they have usually gone too far.
If giving a technical will help give structure back to the game and if it will have a calming effect on things.

Original Source: The Greater Philadelphia Basketball Official's Association

[Brad]

You suck.
Are you blind?
WHACK!!!

That call sucked.
That was a garbage call.
Not automatic as above. When a coach says "you" it takes on a different tone. "That call sucked" is not the same as "You suck"

I'd judge the above based on what has gone on the rest of the game... If nothing so far then address verbally, if you have already addressed give the official warning -- past that maybe WHACK maybe ignore -- take the game situation into account.

Quietly within earshot of no one but me in a non-hostile tone: "Geez, Spence, that was a B.S. call."(without using the initials)

Probably not for me... Again, I would take the rest of the game into consideration. If that coach hadn't said much then this would probably just get a warning. If there had already been history this game then it might be a tech.

Without even having read the rest of the thread other than the OP, I'm sure that many will say WHACK everything, but I think that we need to always consider our full range of responses rather than be a one-trick pony.

[Brad]

Everything Bad Zebra said was spot on.

[JRutledge]

I have three basic triggers that need to be addressed.

1. They question your integrity.
2. They get personal.
3. They start using profanity.

If these things happen, then you can either give a T or you can address in another way. This really comes with experience to know when or how to deal with these situations.

Peace

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by tomegun

You are kidding right? If I'm reading what you wrote, a young official will know when to whack a coach.
Many young officials let a coach go totally over the line and they learn from experience. One way to learn is ask as the OP has done and some of the responses have been very good. But some...

Oh they will know it - what will distinguish them from the others is if they pull the trigger.
I know veterans who don't hit the big fat ones because they are afraid of losing votes or game or their poularity.
That is a part of the learning process, as is asking for all of this great information.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by Brad

You suck.
Are you blind?
WHACK!!!

That call sucked.
That was a garbage call.
Not automatic as above. When a coach says "you" it takes on a different tone. "That call sucked" is not the same as "You suck"

I'd judge the above based on what has gone on the rest of the game... If nothing so far then address verbally, if you have already addressed give the official warning -- past that maybe WHACK maybe ignore -- take the game situation into account.

Quietly within earshot of no one but me in a non-hostile tone: "Geez, Spence, that was a B.S. call."(without using the initials)

Brad is an expert on this subject because most of his calls DO suck, so he is very familiar with how to deal with this very subject!

Probably not for me... Again, I would take the rest of the game into consideration. If that coach hadn't said much then this would probably just get a warning. If there had already been history this game then it might be a tech.

Without even having read the rest of the thread other than the OP, I'm sure that many will say WHACK everything, but I think that we need to always consider our full range of responses rather than be a one-trick pony.

Brad is an expert on this subject because most of his calls DO suck! Since he is faced with these comments all the time he knows exactly how to handle them...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

[Spence]

Good input.

Should I assume that if a coach is directing his/her comments towards my partner and my partner doesn't think its worthy of a T that I should not get involved even if I think its crossed the line?

[Brad]

Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie

Brad is an expert on this subject because most of his calls DO suck! Since he is faced with these comments all the time he knows exactly how to handle them...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA

I've never banned a moderator before, but there is a first for everything... so keep it up!

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Spence

Good input.

Should I assume that if a coach is directing his/her comments towards my partner and my partner doesn't think its worthy of a T that I should not get involved even if I think its crossed the line?

Yes, there come a time where you have to fight you own battles. If your partner IMO deem it is not worthy why bother.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Spence

Good input.

Should I assume that if a coach is directing his/her comments towards my partner and my partner doesn't think its worthy of a T that I should not get involved even if I think its crossed the line?

If it's verbal and your partner hears it, you probably want to stay out of it.

If it's an inappropriate gesture behind your partner's back, you probably wnat to get it.

[BBall_Junkie]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

If it's verbal and your partner hears it, you probably want to stay out of it.

If it's an inappropriate gesture behind your partner's back, you probably wnat to get it.

Generally good advise but I will add:

If your partner has already stuck him and he is still being an ahole, you might want to whack and dump him (this should be discussed in pregame). This way it doesn't give the perception that your partner had it in for him and was going to eject him no matter what. You are a team out there and this is one way of being a strong team member.

Also, if you are working with a younger/ inexperienced or weak official you might have to whack him if your partner won't to keep control of the game and get the coach focused back on coaching. I might tell my partner at a deadball, that if he keeps it up he is going to have to get him, bc if he doesn't I am going to. Then see if he takes care of business. If not, take care of it yourself.

Other than these examples, Bob's guidance is wise.