Throw-in, Double Foul

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Changing one the most basic definitions of the game is a bad idea. We shouldn't be messing with our basic definitions and the "Basketball Fundamentals" because of one play that happens once a season.

How can you call this one of the fundamentals of basketball and a basic definition of the game if the college level considers it part of the game?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Smitty

How can you call this one of the fundamentals of basketball and a basic definition of the game if the college level considers it part of the game?

Because it's listed right in your NFHS rulebook as Basketball Fundamental #2.

It's my personal opinion that the NCAA acted too quickly because they wanted to include throw-in fouls as team control fouls. (Which is not the worst idea ever. I don't think it's completely necessary, but I can see the reason for wanting it.) The easiest way to do that seemed to be to have team control during throw-ins. So that's what they did. Of course, they then had to make lots of other changes (like to the backcourt rule), that made it not really so easy, after all.

A better way to accomplish what they wanted to do would have been simply to change the definition of team control fouls to include throw-in fouls. Just like for a PC foul after the ball has been released. Is there really player control? No. But we still consider it to be a player control foul. I think this would've been a better solution to the team control foul issue.

But nobody asked me. :shrug:

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

A better way to accomplish what they wanted to do would have been simply to change the definition of team control fouls to include throw-in fouls.

And what a throw-in foul should be? Until the end of the throw-in? Certainly not, because the ball could be only deflected. So?

Of course in FIBA rules there's team control during a throw-in (and you can't pass in the backcourt if the throw-in is in the frontcourt).

Ciao

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

And what a throw-in foul should be? Until the end of the throw-in? Certainly not, because the ball could be only deflected. So?

Excellent question, but it has a very easy solution. I never meant to invent a new class of fouls called "throw-in fouls". You'd have to say that a team control foul occurs when a member of the throw-in team commits a common foul during the throw-in and until the ball is controlled inbounds.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Excellent question, but it has a very easy solution. I never meant to invent a new class of fouls called "throw-in fouls". You'd have to say that a team control foul occurs when a member of the throw-in team commits a common foul during the throw-in and until the ball is controlled inbounds.

I'd do this differently, and say until the throwin ends. I like the idea of a "loose ball" foul with neither team in control if the ball's been tipped and there's a scrum.