Muff during Spot Throw In?

[Freddy]

Gals and Gents,

Sitch:
"The thrower on a spot throw-in with the ball put at his disposal, after muffing the ball which rolls away from his spot out-of-bounds, may go retrieve the ball, return to his designated spot, and throw the ball in without a violation."

This was expressed to me by a credible source. As with anything I hear, I want to run it by the rules, and I can't find anywhere that this is allowable. Only that, "The thrower must keep one foot on or over the spot until the ball is released." (4-42-6 NOTE).

Has anybody ever heard of such a thing not being a violation?

[MidMadness]

Toot the whistle, get the ball back, readminister, play on...??

Originally Posted by Freddy

Gals and Gents,

Sitch:
"The thrower on a spot throw-in with the ball put at his disposal, after muffing the ball which rolls away from his spot out-of-bounds, may go retrieve the ball, return to his designated spot, give to official to re-administer and throw the ball in without a violation."

This was expressed to me by a credible source. As with anything I hear, I want to run it by the rules, and I can't find anywhere that this is allowable. Only that, "The thrower must keep one foot on or over the spot until the ball is released." (4-42-6 NOTE).

Has anybody ever heard of such a thing not being a violation?

Yes, the player muffed the ball. Let's fix it & resume play.

[just another ref]

A muff indicates a pass that was not handled cleanly, does it not? If the official passed the ball to the thrower and it is not handled, redo it. If the thrower fumbles the ball away, I don't see how you can help him.

[Adam]

I believe the case play for this is under free throw administration.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I believe the case play for this is under free throw administration.

I don't think so. If the muff, during a throw-in, was meant to be a consideration, then it would have it's own case.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Yes, the player muffed the ball. Let's fix it & resume play.

[Dependent of level of play]
Once I give him the ball, he's in charge.
When he muffs the ball due to a fake pass, or due to too many thumbs, if he leaves the designated spot he causes a violation of 7-6-3 leaving the spot before releasing a throw-in pass.

Lower levels could easily be do-overs.

Mick - I agree, but didn't know we were speaking of faked passes... that would definitely be the players fault.

[Adam]

"Muff" to me means the player never cleanly received the "pass" from the official. If he has the ball, fakes a pass, and loses control, all bets are off.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"Muff" to me means the player never cleanly received the "pass" from the official. If he has the ball, fakes a pass, and loses control, all bets are off.

I agree.

But, there is (or was) an NCAA case play to the effect mentioned in the OP (after "controlling" (and I don't mean to imply Player Control) the ball, and then losing it, the player may retrieve it, return to the original spot and complete the throw-in)