Officiating philosophy

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

Would you agree that he want's Game Management started by his crew on the very first call of the game?

LOL!!!

You are trying waaayyyyyy too hard.

Peace

[mu4scott]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

LOL!!!

You are trying waaayyyyyy too hard.

Peace

No not really. It’s an honest question. I’m trying to get this GM stuff figured out.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

No not really. It’s an honest question. I’m trying to get this GM stuff figured out.

Go read the other thread and you might figure it out.

Peace

[mu4scott]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Go read the other thread and you might figure it out.

Peace

I'll stick w/ the game management philosophy of a guy who works more D1 games than anybody in the country. Seems to be a pretty successful path.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

I'll stick w/ the game management philosophy of a guy who works more D1 games than anybody in the country. Seems to be a pretty successful path.

You do not even realize what you are disagreeing with. I never said to listen to me or what I do exactly what I say. Also there was much more to the talk from Welmer about this "philosophy" than what you heard from a minute statement.

Just this past summer I went to two camps where almost every clinician was a D1 official. I went to another where the camp is run by a D1 Official and I attend that camp every year. There is more to their success then one philosophy pulled out of context. Maybe you should read my signature and the quote. The person that made those statements is a good friend of Welmer and also has his ideas of what works. After all he helps pick or identify officials for the NCAA Tournament. Then again, you probably do not understand that quote either.

Peace

[mu4scott]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not even realize what you are disagreeing with. I never said to listen to me or what I do exactly what I say. Also there was much more to the talk from Welmer about this "philosophy" than what you heard from a minute statement.

Huh???
I’m not disagreeing with you about anything. I asked for your opinion. You don’t want to say anything and I suspect it’s because you don’t agree with it. I’ve heard his talks multiple times and he has philosophies on end of half, beginning of second half, end of game etc…. Don’t duck out by saying I “took it out of context”.

I’m just curious if you agree with it?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Just this past summer I went to two camps where almost every clinician was a D1 official. I went to another where the camp is run by a D1 Official and I attend that camp every year. There is more to their success then one philosophy pulled out of context. Maybe you should read my signature and the quote. The person that made those statements is a good friend of Welmer and also has his ideas of what works. After all he helps pick or identify officials for the NCAA Tournament.

Didn't pull anything out of context.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Then again, you probably do not understand that quote either.
Peace

We should work a game together.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

Huh???
I’m not disagreeing with you about anything. I asked for your opinion. You don’t want to say anything and I suspect it’s because you don’t agree with it. I’ve heard his talks multiple times and he has philosophies on end of half, beginning of second half, end of game etc…. Don’t duck out by saying I “took it out of context”.

You would be wrong again. I just do not feel like explaining it to you based on what I actually heard him say. And I do not want to debate with you anymore about what game management is or what it is not. Many people tried to explain that to you and it is clear you did not understand what they were saying. Then you chalked it up to typos and other stuff that people were not saying.

Originally Posted by mu4scott

I’m just curious if you agree with it?

You will stay curious.

Originally Posted by mu4scott

Didn't pull anything out of context.

If you want an answer and the statements were clearly incomplete, then yes, they are out of context. Once again, I have heard him talk about this topic 3 times and there was a lot more to the statements before what was recorded and a lot afterwards.

Originally Posted by mu4scott

We should work a game together.

No, because you would not know how to manage the game.

Peace

[Tio]

I think some of us are missing the point.

First of all, it is impossible for all of our calls to be strong or right. The best officials in the NBA are wrong under 1% of the time proven statistically.

The point is, we need to be aware that especially in big games with hostile environments, certain coaches think they are going to get jobbed by the officials. They are all paranoid. So we need to be aware of this and not start the night off by sticking a garbage foul on a player right out of the gate. This is a good way to invite trouble into your game. In a perfect world, there would be no such things as garbage fouls, but they happen since none of us are perfect.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

Huh???
I’m not disagreeing with you about anything. I asked for your opinion. You don’t want to say anything and I suspect it’s because you don’t agree with it. I’ve heard his talks multiple times and he has philosophies on end of half, beginning of second half, end of game etc…. Don’t duck out by saying I “took it out of context”.

I’m just curious if you agree with it?



Didn't pull anything out of context.



We should work a game together.

I have worked with Jeff and hope to do it again. He knows how to manage a game. And just prove to it, I you offer 2 typos.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

I'll stick w/ the game management philosophy of a guy who works more D1 games than anybody in the country. Seems to be a pretty successful path.

The highest level I've ever officiated is high school varsity. I've done a few league semifinals and finals, never a state tournament game. I've been doing this for twenty seven years, and I've never differentiated between the home or visiting team, and I've never heard anyone representing the NFHS, or IAABO, suggest that we do.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by mu4scott

I'll stick w/ the game management philosophy of a guy who works more D1 games than anybody in the country. Seems to be a pretty successful path.

Mu4Scott,

I am
not trying to attack you in any way. That's not what I post on here for, but I should have guessed that you would listen to philosophies like Steve Welmer. You know if you put him in the breakdown system like they have for the NBA, I would bet he gets maybe 70% of his plays right. Steve is a great communicator and that's how he gets those 100 game seasons. I on the other hand am not working games for the coaches, I'm working for the players and the game. I believe you should be a great communicator but playcalling should be first.

Also I hope you know that Steve welmer does not work in the ACC as far as I know, he was fired from the SEC and he has never worked past the sweet 16. I respect the man as a communicator but not as an overall GREAT referee. My opinion.

Like I said in the other thread about game mgmt, the term needs to be revamped. There are RARE instances when you should call a foul for game mgmt reasons.