Clock Situation?????

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Grail

When the official blew his/her whistle, you can make adjustments to the clock, IF you have definite knowledge of the proper amount of time to remove.

Definite knowledge is not, "well we had 2 three second counts, and don't know anything else.

Based on the play you described, Team B has the ball at the nearest spot to where they were when the whistle blew. 24 should still be showing on the clock. Do-overs are not supported in the rules.

This is less accurate than setting the clock to 18 seconds. Why would you not want to be the most accurate that you can be?

[Johnny Ringo]

OK ... this is all good. But, what would you do or what does the rule say to do in this situation?

It was first noticed that the clock had not started when Team A was attempting a 3 ... "you are the ref" - what do you do in this circumstance from this point on?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

OK ... this is all good. But, what would you do or what does the rule say to do in this situation?

It was first noticed that the clock had not started when Team A was attempting a 3 ... "you are the ref" - what do you do in this circumstance from this point on?

I allow the shot because it is attacking the basket. The play is killed when someone obtains possession of the reound, or the shot goes in. I check with my P what definite kowledge s/he has. I add his answer with mine, subtracting the union time we might have. I tell both coaches what we have, let each one ask a question, then instruct the timer to reset the clock to x seconds. They we admin the throw-in and go from there. When the throw-in happens, I tell the players how much time is on the clock.

[Johnny Ringo]

Juggling Ref ... that's what happened and went well. My last question is do the rules support that or say something else? Thanks!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Juggling Ref ... that's what happened and went well. My last question is do the rules support that or say something else? Thanks!

The rules only allow you to take time off that you "know" should have elapsed. Any and all counts are "known" elements and can be used to determine the time to be removed. There is nothing that says the counts must be continuous nor that they account for all of the missing time but you can't remove the time that was not under a count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The rules only allow you to take time off that you "know" should have elapsed. Any and all counts are "known" elements and can be used to determine the time to be removed. There is nothing that says the counts must be continuous nor that they account for all of the missing time but you can't remove the time that was not under a count.

I agree with you, but not all do.
Since definite knowledge isn't defined, it's frankly up to a bit of interpretation.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I agree with you, but not all do.
Since definite knowledge isn't defined, it's frankly up to a bit of interpretation.

I think we all agree (and so does the NFHS according to previous statements) that timing accuracy is only relevant in the closing moments of a period/game....no one cares about 2-3 seconds with 6:15 left in the 2nd quarter. Furthermore, no one cares about 3-4 seconds in the closing minute of a 30 point blowout. So, all relevant situatoins are end-of-quarter or end-of-game when the score is "close".

Let's pose a play:

11 seconds to go in a tie game. Throwin for A goes to A1 in the backcourt but the clock doesn't start. A1, under pressure, has the ball in the BC for 8 seconds when A1 completes a pass to an open/unguarded A2 just across the division line. After a moment, B2 obtains a guarding position within 6' and agressively and successfully contains B2...the count gets to 4 when A2 passes to a cutting A4 who dribbles twice and lays the ball in.

What's the call?

1. Count the bucket....if so, what next?
2. Go to OT.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I tell both coaches what we have, let each one ask a question, then instruct the timer to reset the clock to x seconds. They we admin the throw-in and go from there. When the throw-in happens, I tell the players how much time is on the clock.

An earlier post said there is no rule that supports taking time off the clock?

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

An earlier post said there is no rule that supports taking time off the clock?

In the absence of any definite knowledge