end of game, scoring a bucket for the other team

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If so, that is clever.......

Clever is not the first word that occurs to me. This coach felt a need to pull a stunt like this to protect a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Clever is not the first word that occurs to me. This coach felt a need to pull a stunt like this to protect a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left?

That was my thought, too, justa. But I didn't want to give everybody an easy shot at telling me I was too dense to figure it out.

[Adam]

Frankly, I don't see how this is at all advantageous to the leading team. With a 4 point lead, have your PG hold the ball once it's passed in and just stand there. Worst case, he gets fouled, shoots free throws, and they still have a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left and a full court to travel.

Throwing the ball in the air would be more advantageous. Worst case, defense catches it and makes a three pointer; game over with a single point win.

No, if anything, the OP is taunting; and that's a pretty big stretch that would need to be determined by the officials on the court depending on other circumstances. If you go with taunting, you now have A down by 2, shooting two technical shots, then getting the ball at half court with 2 seconds left. Hmmmm.

Most likely, just blow it dead, do the directional announcement thing; and when coach asks what you're doing just tell him you thought the kids were confused so you made sure everyone had it right. What's he going to say? "My kids weren't confused."

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Frankly, I don't see how this is at all advantageous to the leading team. With a 4 point lead, have your PG hold the ball once it's passed in and just stand there. Worst case, he gets fouled, shoots free throws, and they still have a 4 point lead with 2 seconds left and a full court to travel.

Throwing the ball in the air would be more advantageous. Worst case, defense catches it and makes a three pointer; game over with a single point win.

No, if anything, the OP is taunting; and that's a pretty big stretch that would need to be determined by the officials on the court depending on other circumstances. If you go with taunting, you now have A down by 2, shooting two technical shots, then getting the ball at half court with 2 seconds left. Hmmmm.

Most likely, just blow it dead, do the directional announcement thing; and when coach asks what you're doing just tell him you thought the kids were confused so you made sure everyone had it right. What's he going to say? "My kids weren't confused."

There's no drama in this method though.

Imagine the excitement if you call a taunting T!

[just another ref]

Bottom line: I cannot envision the situation where scoring for the other team, intentionally or otherwise, would result in a technical foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Bottom line: I cannot envision the situation where scoring for the other team, intentionally or otherwise, would result in a technical foul.

It would need to be accompanied by some other actions or words, or it would have to be the culmination of other things. Would I be likely to call it? Not unless the situation was extreme and warranted it.

But I can envision it. Kids can get creative with this stuff.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It would need to be accompanied by some other actions or words, or it would have to be the culmination of other things. Would I be likely to call it? Not unless the situation was extreme and warranted it.

But I can envision it. Kids can get creative with this stuff.

Exactly. I think even if the team was offended by the shot, in and of itself, the two points would be compensation enough. If the shooter yells, "Here's two points for you, ya bunch of losers," this would warrant a technical whether the shot is actually taken or not.

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

No, if anything, the OP is taunting; and that's a pretty big stretch that would need to be determined by the officials on the court depending on other circumstances. If you go with taunting, you now have A down by 2, shooting two technical shots, then getting the ball at half court with 2 seconds left. Hmmmm.

I took it to be celebratory and a bit taunting, then, to take a last-minute layup at your opponent's basket. It wasn't the right context for a T but it did seem arguable. I don't think the coach had anything to do with it, just the players inbounding the ball realizing they could not score at their own basket in time, so they put the ball into the opponent's goal. It made me wonder about under what circumstances a T might be a correct call, if ever... probably would have to be accompanied by some other gestures.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I don't think the coach had anything to do with it, just the players inbounding the ball realizing they could not score at their own basket in time, so they put the ball into the opponent's goal.

I think I speak for us all when I say: HUH?

[jkjenning]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I think I speak for us all when I say: HUH?

Huh, what? They inbounded the ball, wanted another shot at a basket but were not going to get off a shot at their own basket before the buzzer, so they laid it in the opponent's basket... what was unclear about hat?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jkjenning

I took it to be celebratory and a bit taunting, then, to take a last-minute layup at your opponent's basket. It wasn't the right context for a T but it did seem arguable. I don't think the coach had anything to do with it, just the players inbounding the ball realizing they could not score at their own basket in time, so they put the ball into the opponent's goal. It made me wonder about under what circumstances a T might be a correct call, if ever... probably would have to be accompanied by some other gestures.

It seems more celebratory to me. Sounds like a word to the coach might be in order, but since I'd be bee-lining for the door at the buzzer, I doubt I'd say anything.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like a word to the coach might be in order, but since I'd be bee-lining for the door at the buzzer, I doubt I'd say anything.

You mean you didn't hang around to watch the postgame handshake? I bet the game wasn't in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It seems more celebratory to me.

Rookies take note. If the ball is shot before the buzzer goes off, but doesn't enter the basket until after the buzzer sounds, the basket doesn't count, because it's not a legal try. And, of course, if a player is confused enough to foul the shooter ... Never mind, my head is starting to hurt.