No Timeouts - end of the game

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

But, if a team calls a timeout and you know they have none left you still grant it - but a technical is charged correct?

If a team requests a timeout, then yes, you are to grant their request. If the team has used all of their free timeouts, then yes, this timeout is still granted at the cost of a technica foul.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Therefore, I try to know... even how many fouls there are on individual players.

You can keep track on how many fouls each player has at any point in the game. You live in Nevada. You must have made a fortune card counting blackjack at casinos.

[Nevadaref]

I'm not rainman, but I'm not bad.

[eyezen]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think the crew needs to be aware of the timeout situation. I always keep track of when a team burns both it's 30 sec. timeouts so you immediately send the teams into a full rather than take the time to ask the coach (who usually is worried about his team once you grant the timeout). An aside, in my first 4 year college game, the coach did this and I sat there waiting and got no indication before granting a full timeout. This of course burned the first media timeout which pissed the coach off and was not a good start for me this night! Just something to think about moving forward...

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I don't understand how this was your fault. Are you saying that any time-out taken before the 1st media time-out of either half should be assumed to be a 30-second T/O?

In short yes. I did not know this either however this is how it was explained to my crew by a clinician this past weekend.

One of my partners went near the huddle to find out if he wanted a full/30. The clinician explained that its not a good idea to get near the huddle at the beginning of a timeout, (makes sense, coach is usually upset at something/someone).

Beyond that he went to explain that in a college game with media timeouts, 99/100 times the coach will always want a 30 sec timeout. The only time he will ask for a full is when he knows he's out of 30's.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by eyezen

In short yes. I did not know this either however this is how it was explained to my crew by a clinician this past weekend.

One of my partners went near the huddle to find out if he wanted a full/30. The clinician explained that its not a good idea to get near the huddle at the beginning of a timeout, (makes sense, coach is usually upset at something/someone).

Beyond that he went to explain that in a college game with media timeouts, 99/100 times the coach will always want a 30 sec timeout. The only time he will ask for a full is when he knows he's out of 30's.

Hopefully 1 day I'll have to worry about such things.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Beyond that he went to explain that in a college game with media timeouts, 99/100 times the coach will always want a 30 sec timeout. The only time he will ask for a full is when he knows he's out of 30's.

Yabut - you're still supposed to check.

I've seen games where the official asked the coach (and assistants) repeatedly. When he didn't get a response, he told me to charge it as a 60-second TO. The coach was none-too-happy about that, but it was correct by rule.

[SmokeEater]

If the coach does not indicate the time out length they want, I will ask them once.... maybe twice in a loud gym or depends how I feel. If they don't respond they get charged with a full. That way I dont stand there repeatedly asking and looking like a fool. IMO
One of the best things about FIBA rules is all To's are 1 minute in length and they dont request it to me the coach has to make the request at the scorers bench.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Beyond that he went to explain that in a college game with media timeouts, 99/100 times the coach will always want a 30 sec timeout. The only time he will ask for a full is when he knows he's out of 30's.

That's because the coach only gets one full (60 second) time-out in a typical TV game. Each team gets 4 30's (up to 3 carry over to the second half) and only one 60-second time-out. So you can bet that the coach wants to save that full time-out until crunch time when he needs a little extra time. (For example, in the last 30 seconds of regulation in a national championship game when you want to make sure your players know to give a foul before the offense gets to midcourt. Oh wait, I guess Memphis didn't do that. . . )

Besides that, the first time-out request of the second half automatically becomes a media (75-second) time-out. So you know the coach isn't going to use his/her full time-out at that point.

Should you ask anyway? Probably. But I know several guys who don't.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Besides that, the first time-out request of the second half automatically becomes a media (75-second) time-out. So you know the coach isn't going to use his/her full time-out at that point.

When at the table, I wish media TOs were only 75 seconds long!

That said, I'd rather be reffing the games with the 2-3 minute long TV timeouts.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

When at the table, I wish media TOs were only 75 seconds long!

Well, the rulebook mentions 75 seconds, but I guess they can be lengthened, based on the media contract. Good point.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Well, the rulebook mentions 75 seconds, but I guess they can be lengthened, based on the media contract. Good point.

Boy, Scrapper - you'll never make it on the East Coast.

I hope you're out in California. They seem to let anyone move up the ranks there.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Boy, Scrapper - you'll never make it on the East Coast.

I hope you're out in California. They seem to let anyone move up the ranks there.

I take offense, I currently live in CA and I think you are way off base, at least for my area.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by w_sohl

I take offense, I currently live in CA and I think you are way off base, at least for my area.

The reference was to some forum member here who, I think, claimed that Southern Cal referees have excellent training; and he was working Dx ball in only his third season. IIRC, his attitude was that SoCal officials were of a different breed than officials in other parts of the country.

You can imagine how our esteemed members took to that BS.......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The reference was to some forum member here who, I think, claimed that Southern Cal referees have excellent training; and he was working Dx ball in only his third season. IIRC, his attitude was that SoCal officials were of a different breed than officials in other parts of the country.

You can imagine how our esteemed members took to that BS.......

The statement made was that all SoCal officials were ready for college ball by the end of their third year.

Maybe w_sohl is from NoCal and he didn't get the memo.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The statement made was that all SoCal officials were ready for college ball by the end of their third year.

Maybe w_sohl is from NoCal and he didn't get the memo.

Central CA, and while I think this is the best area I have worked in (Michigan, Illinois and Indiana) in that the good ole boy system is almost non existent. The SoCal official that thinks that is out of his mind. Sure they have some great ball down there, but that by no means makes them ready by year three. Either you are ready or your not. Thanks for the clarification, I ma no longer offended...