I know it's summer league, but...

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

With all due respect, I believe the dinosaur was talking about call selection over reporting during "summer ball" in particular... if one has both qualities in "summer ball" that's a bonus. I'm sure he does require both when wins & losses matter most.

[truerookie]

[quote=Ch1town]

Originally Posted by truerookie

With all due respect, I believe the dinosaur was talking about call selection over reporting during "summer ball" in particular... if one has both qualities in "summer ball" that's a bonus. I'm sure he does require both when wins & losses matter most.

I understood that part. I was asking why can't we have both. Why one have to take precedent over the other.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I understood that part. I was asking why can't we have both. Why one have to take precedent over the other.

Because one is more important than the other. Are they both important? Yes.
But one is obviously more important.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Because one is more important than the other. Are they both important? Yes.
But one is obviously more important.

I got that.

I'm attempting to play devil's advocate here. (I may not be doing a good job). If I hear my assignor state that play calling is more important than mechanics to hell with the mechanics as long as I call the play right I will work.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I got that.

I'm attempting to play devil's advocate here. (I may not be doing a good job). If I hear my assignor state that play calling is more important than mechanics to hell with the mechanics as long as I call the play right I will work.

If you did, one could question your listening skills.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I understood that part. I was asking why can't we have both. Why one have to take precedent over the other.

Good luck with that. Twice this AAU season I've heard this one fellow official complain because other officials were using proper mechanics and because they were switching--thus causing the games to take longer. He said we need to just report the foul from where we are standing and get the ball back in play.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Good luck with that. Twice this AAU season I've heard this one fellow official complain because other officials were using proper mechanics and because they were switching--thus causing the games to take longer. He said we need to just report the foul from where we are standing and get the ball back in play.

Thanks! (with the luck part) . Look, it makes a hill of beans to me what someone may or may not want to do. I can only speak for myself. When I step on the court I will give all parties involved my best. What is wrong with officials giving the kids; site admin; assignor (except JR ) their best without regards if its summer or regular season(play calling/mechanics)?

This is one of many reasons why newbies are having a hard time grasping the concept because of this mindset. Summer ball is not as important. Which I say BS!! Most new officials start out in the summer.


I bet the official who was complaining was probably a local official and was not assigned by supervisor of officials for AAU.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Because one is more important than the other. Are they both important? Yes.
But one is obviously more important.

Exactly! I worked with an official several times last season & they were really crisp & clean while reporting fouls to the table (I must admit I took a bit of their reporting style and incorporated into my game) but the call selections got them ripped after a few of the games.

ie: Several "over the back" calls where the defense obtained the rebound & the contact didn't put the rebounder at a disadvantage, but the call was continuously made... sometimes killing the fast break opportunity. Plus, when working in a 3 person system the L should trust the T & slot to make those calls.

The official couldn't comprehend the fact that contact doesn't equal a foul, the result of the contact is what makes it a foul. I guess that's a good example of call selection outweighing table reporting.
Basically, who cares how well you look when reporting a bad call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Basically, who cares how well you look when reporting a bad call.

This just needed to be repeated. Well stated.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This just needed to be repeated. Well stated.

I don't entirely agree. It's usually true that an official who makes consistently poor calls, but has good mechanics, will be widely regarded as a poor official and his mechanics cannot fix that. But a reasonably good official who makes an uncharacteristically poor call can often gain the benefit of the doubt by how he reports it. Taking a 4 call (based on a 1-10 scale) and turning it into a 9 or 10 call at the table may sound like just so much "camp philosophy", but I've found it to be true over a period of several years since I was first introduced to it. The opposite has also proven to be true. A really good call, followed by a poor presentation, will likely be poorly accepted.