I know it's summer league, but...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Knowledgable people can tell when you're working hard or just going through the motions.

Gee, I wanna be one of them knowledgeable people when I grow up too.

My take? There's one heckuva big difference between not switching in summer ball and actual lack of hustle. Jmo but I think that maybe some people you might call fairly knowledgeable are looking to see if the the officials are hustling to keep up with the play, hustling to get into position and hustling to stay in position. What they do before play actually starts might sometimes even fall into the realm of...gasp...false hustle.

I personally kinda put switching in the summer in the same grab-bag as foul-reporting mechanics. I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

I know....heresy.....but also my opinion.

That's straight from an assignor folks!

And I can dig it JR, because I don't switch on every foul nor do I come to a complete stop when reporting as most summer leagues have a running clock. I like to give 'em their moneys worth.

FTR, I was addressing the "it's just summer league" attitude in general.

And letting the OPer know that there is always something we could be working on regardless of level, gender, partners experience or lack therof & season of play.

[truerookie]

[quote=Jurassic Referee]I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

[JRutledge]

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Originally Posted by truerookie

[Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

What are you going to do if there are no personal fouls kept? Foul reporting is not nearly as vital (in the summer) than what you call.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Foul reporting is not nearly as vital (in the summer) than what you call.

It ain't as vital in the winter either imo.

Bad foul reporting mechanics don't really affect the game per se. Bad play-calling sureasheck does though.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It ain't as vital in the winter either imo.

Bad foul reporting mechanics don't really affect the game per se. Bad play-calling sureasheck does though.

This is where I disagree with you. How you present yourself on foul calls is just as important as anything you do when it comes to presentation (uniform, signals, presence). People are looking for your confidence to determine the competence as an official. You are always going to have people that disagree with a call or two even when you are right. The presentation is the way you communicate the call to the world and that is very important. Also it is important because if you cannot present the proper information, then you might have to clean up a mess you are not able to easily handle.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is where I disagree with you. How you present yourself on foul calls is just as important as anything you do when it comes to presentation (uniform, signals, presence). People are looking for your confidence to determine the competence as an official. You are always going to have people that disagree with a call or two even when you are right. The presentation is the way you communicate the call to the world and that is very important. Also it is important because if you cannot present the proper information, then you might have to clean up a mess you are not able to easily handle.

And that where I could disagree completely with you too.

When I evaluate, I could give a damn less how an official reports, as long as that report is fairly accurate and legible. Whether that official is reporting a correct call is a helluva lot more important than looking pretty while doing so.

You can have the greatest presentation and communication skills and also show the greatest confidence of any official in the history of basketball while reporting, but if you're reporting what was obviously a crappy call, the world is gonna care less about what you look like while you're reporting.

Reporting a call is nowhere near as important as getting the call right first imo.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And that where I could disagree completely with you too.

When I evaluate, I could give a damn less how an official reports, as long as that report is fairly accurate and legible. Whether that official is reporting a correct call is a helluva lot more important than looking pretty while doing so.

You can have the greatest presentation and communication skills and also show the greatest confidence of any official in the history of basketball while reporting, but if you're reporting what was obviously a crappy call, the world is gonna care less about what you look like while you're reporting.

Reporting a call is nowhere near as important as getting the call right first imo.

I think both things are a package. And when I evaluate officials for my association or at camps, if you cannot give a good presentation you will get docked just as much as if you made a bad call. And during the summer most of the time you cannot work both things equally because of the nature of summer ball. Where I am from your mechanics might get you over the top. We can always disagree with a call or two when we are not in the position of the official. But one thing that helps officials where I am at is your mechanics. And your table presentation is a big part of that. You might call a great game but if no one knows what you are doing, then it does not matter. Then people start to question the other parts of your games.

In my experience if you do not have good mechanics, chances are you do not have the other things to be a good official.

Peace

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is where I disagree with you. How you present yourself on foul calls is just as important as anything you do when it comes to presentation (uniform, signals, presence). People are looking for your confidence to determine the competence as an official. You are always going to have people that disagree with a call or two even when you are right. The presentation is the way you communicate the call to the world and that is very important. Also it is important because if you cannot present the proper information, then you might have to clean up a mess you are not able to easily handle.

Peace

I agree. My very first coach T as a HS ref came in my very first HS game and I was culpable because I communicated a foul call poorly at the spot. As my mechanics have improved, problems attributable to my poor mechanics have ceased to occur. There is so much in the game that is beyond our ability to consistently control. But how we execute our mechanics is something we can control and it makes sense to do it.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It ain't as vital in the winter either imo.

Bad foul reporting mechanics don't really affect the game per se. Bad play-calling sureasheck does though.

I agree with this statement.

[QUOTE=truerookie]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'd rather have an official who is better at calling fouls than one who is better at reporting 'em.

Why can't there be both? Good at calling and reporting?

With all due respect, I believe the dinosaur was talking about call selection over reporting during "summer ball" in particular... if one has both qualities in "summer ball" that's a bonus. I'm sure he does require both when wins & losses matter most.

[truerookie]

[quote=Ch1town]

Originally Posted by truerookie

With all due respect, I believe the dinosaur was talking about call selection over reporting during "summer ball" in particular... if one has both qualities in "summer ball" that's a bonus. I'm sure he does require both when wins & losses matter most.

I understood that part. I was asking why can't we have both. Why one have to take precedent over the other.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I understood that part. I was asking why can't we have both. Why one have to take precedent over the other.

Because one is more important than the other. Are they both important? Yes.
But one is obviously more important.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Because one is more important than the other. Are they both important? Yes.
But one is obviously more important.

I got that.

I'm attempting to play devil's advocate here. (I may not be doing a good job). If I hear my assignor state that play calling is more important than mechanics to hell with the mechanics as long as I call the play right I will work.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I got that.

I'm attempting to play devil's advocate here. (I may not be doing a good job). If I hear my assignor state that play calling is more important than mechanics to hell with the mechanics as long as I call the play right I will work.

If you did, one could question your listening skills.