Celtics offensive foul call

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Congratulations on reaching your goals and leaving high school ball in your rear-view mirror. You obviously had no interest in that level anyway. I take it that you are at least doing semi-pro, NBDL and WNBA games on a regular basis now.

Btw, does that apply to NCAA games too? Have you now gone beyond that level also? Just wondering.

Let me answer you without being the least bit condescending, like you have been with me ever since I started posting here. I haven't left HS in the rear view mirror, I still work it every once in a while, why heck, I even reffed some junior high games. I also ref some D2 and some D1 and i ref in the NBA Development League. I am only telling you this because it seems to be such a big issue for you. I would have preferred it just have been kept in anonymity but if you are that hellbent on it then here you are.

Lastly, I don't really have a problem with you but you seem to have one with me and I'm sorry about that, I'm just providing this forum with information of what I have been taught just like everyone else on here.

[Kelvin green]

I will chime in here because we have a Pro-Am League here and have done it for several years now... There is actually value in knowing the basic NBA rules...

Many of the things you hear coaches yell for when they are howler monkeys (especially at the lower levels) is what the see on TV in the NBA. by understanding what they are yelling about it does in fact allow to explain better or at least understand their (of course idiotic) position.

When you hear them calling for a travel when the shooter gets his own shot before it hits the rim, running OOB rule, one shot T's, three second rule, backcourt rule and loose balls, the crash under neath the basket we call PC but yell he's under the basket......

When you ref a game with Pro rules and have to watch for defensive three seconds you really do ref the defense. When you have to call the restricted area and know who the primary and secondary players are. When you know the sub rules may be different, it adds a whole new perspective in paying attention to the game.

There are a lot of guys that are bigger, faster, stronger playing in that game and officiating it teaches you about position, advantage disadvantage, ad plays, you will never see in a jv ball game...

Best of all you can pull a Mark Padgett and when a coach asks about a call that he thinks is a NFHS rule but is really NBA you have the witty comeback...

Youre absolutely right coach there are 29 arenas in the country where you would be 100% right, this just isnt one of them....

(if it is the playoffs like right now) Its there are only two arenas...

Or something else like "when you get paid like Phil Johnson, I'll make that call"

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

Best of all you can pull a Mark Padgett and when a coach asks about a call that he thinks is a NFHS rule but is really NBA you have the witty comeback...

WOW! I've become an icon! I knew I was a legend in my own mind, but this!!!

BTW - according to one train of thought in this thread, I should be most familiar with driveway rules.

[Scrapper1]

And the last six posts are why I asked you to take that discussion to another thread. So much for talking about the play.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And the last six posts are why I asked you to take that discussion to another thread. So much for talking about the play.

Know what? You just convinced me NOT to take a hike.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You just convinced me NOT to take a hike.

That's ok. I will.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And the last six posts are why I asked you to take that discussion to another thread. So much for talking about the play.

Maybe you can take this annoying whining to another thread?

We already have 2 topics open under this thread and you are contributing to neither.

[Adam]

I'm starting to think this fascination with Chuck Elias is a bit unhealthy; especially in threads he doesn't read.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm starting to think this fascination with Chuck Elias is a bit unhealthy; especially in threads he doesn't read.

I cannot argue with this logic.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm starting to think this fascination with Chuck Elias is a bit unhealthy; especially in threads he doesn't read.

ChuckElias came out of hiding for a short time, literally, on two different levels, especially the shorter level, earlier this week, putting his life, and that of his family, at great risk, to contribute to this Forum. As far as I know, he's now back, safely tucked away, in the Federal Witness Protection Program.

I'm sure that we'll hear from him again on February 2.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

ChuckElias came out of hiding for a short time, literally, on two different levels, especially the shorter level, earlier this week, putting his life, and that of his family, at great risk, to contribute to this Forum. As far as I know, he's now back, safely tucked away, in the Federal Witness Protection Program.

I'm sure that we'll hear from him again on February 2.

In light of the fact that we're talking about Chuck, I think it's more accurate (appropo?) to call it "Squirrel Day" instead of "Groundhog Day."
Furthermore, rather than February 2, he appears ever year around March 25th to start a thread.

Every now and again, cabin fever sets in and the little fella pops his head into another thread. However, those sitings are rare and, I suspect, merely apocryphal.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Let me answer you without being the least bit condescending, like you have been with me ever since I started posting here.

What part of "congratulations on reaching your goals" did you fail to comprehend? I wrote that and I meant it.

For some reason, you seem to take it personally when someone knocks the NBA. Well, you'd better get used to it because I'm hardly alone in that regard. You also seem to have missed the fact that I don't knock NBA officials per se either, as others do. I think that NBA officials do a great job considering the handicap that I believe they're being forced to work under. That handicap is having to work for a league that has become far more entertainment-oriented than game-oriented. The problem imo is the criteria that NBA officials are being forced to meet. And imo, part of that criteria is having to officiate a game without being able to apply certain rules evenly and consistently- rules such as traveling, palming, and ,yes, how fouls are called. The direction being given to the officials lies with the NBA and the problems are the NBA's doing, and it is too damn bad that the officials are constantly taking crap for something that really isn't their fault imo.

My opinion, Ben, like it or not....and it has nothing to do with you personally in any way.

Good luck with your officiating career. I hope that you reach all of your goals, and I really mean that. Don't think for a minute though that I'll stop showing my disdain for the current edition of the NBA. Imo, it has strayed too far from the game of "basketball" and has become unwatchable. And that is NOT a knock on the people officiating the games.

Fwiw I think that the NHL is also having similar problems. I used to love watching hockey. No more.

Hopefully, that'll set the record straight on where I'm coming from.

PS: Let me also apologize to Scrappy for briefly ignoring his directive to take a hike. I'll resume that journey, as ordered.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What part of "congratulations on reaching your goals" did you fail to comprehend? I wrote that and I meant it.

For some reason, you seem to take it personally when someone knocks the NBA. Well, you'd better get used to it because I'm hardly alone in that regard. You also seem to have missed the fact that I don't knock NBA officials per se either, as others do. I think that NBA officials do a great job considering the handicap that I believe they're being forced to work under. That handicap is having to work for a league that has become far more entertainment-oriented than game-oriented. The problem imo is the criteria that NBA officials are being forced to meet. And imo, part of that criteria is having to officiate a game without being able to apply certain rules evenly and consistently- rules such as traveling, palming, and ,yes, how fouls are called. The direction being given to the officials lies with the NBA and the problems are the NBA's doing, and it is too damn bad that the officials are constantly taking crap for something that really isn't their fault imo.

My opinion, Ben, like it or not....and it has nothing to do with you personally in any way.

Good luck with your officiating career. I hope that you reach all of your goals, and I really mean that. Don't think for a minute though that I'll stop showing my disdain for the current edition of the NBA. Imo, it has strayed too far from the game of "basketball" and has become unwatchable. And that is NOT a knock on the people officiating the games.

Fwiw I think that the NHL is also having similar problems. I used to love watching hockey. No more.

Hopefully, that'll set the record straight on where I'm coming from.

PS: Let me also apologize to Scrappy for briefly ignoring his directive to take a hike. I'll resume that journey, as ordered.

Well thanks. I just don't believe what you said about refs not being allowed to call plays consistently I just feel you are not watching enough NBA ball. I have, sitting in my house right now, web clips on DVD of at least 30 plays involving palming and traveling violations. I don't referee traveling any different in my pro games as I do my college games.

As for the play that scrapper is talking about:

I don't know what more we can say, I know that I explained that the play in question is to be deemed an offensive foul and Bennett called it as such. I can see where some people would no call this, but I cannot see where someone would call it a defensive foul....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I just don't believe what you said about refs not being allowed to call plays consistently I just feel you are not watching enough NBA ball. I have, sitting in my house right now, web clips on DVD of at least 30 plays involving palming and traveling violations. I don't referee traveling any different in my pro games as I do my college games.

As for the play that scrapper is talking about:

I don't know what more we can say, I know that I explained that the play in question is to be deemed an offensive foul and Bennett called it as such. I can see where some people would no call this, but I cannot see where someone would call it a defensive foul....

You're quite right when you say that I don't watch NBA games, but that's simply because I really don't personally enjoy the type of game currently being played.

It's really not about the stuff that does get called either, Ben. It's the stuff that goes uncalled that's looks to me like it's exactly the same as the actual calls being made. I say that realizing that all officials blow calls; I also say that believing that the guys doing the League with all of their specialized training should be expected to blow a helluva lot fewer calls than officials doing a lower level. It's the consistency that bothers me, and knowing the 24-hour nitpicking and second-guessing that an NBA ref has to endure, I just gotta believe personally that there are other factors coming into play. Factors that I sureasheck don't know about because I don't know what NBA play-calling philosophies are these days.No matter what, everybody has their own opinion anyway.

Fwiw, I agree with you and the others that agreed with you that the only possible foul calls on the Pierce play should be a (cheap imo) offensive foul or a no-call. However, I also think that he traveled into the contact. He took a full step sideways after his pivot was set and traveling was the correct call by rule. And that's one of the things that baffles me personally about the NBA. The shuffles and little steps to square-up or get behind the 3-point line seem to be ignored.