Celtics offensive foul call

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Mick, his claims of having "NBA" sources are credible. I do know for a fact that he is subject to NBA training.

Legitimate question.....not a flame.....

What possible good could NBA training be if you aren't working at that level? If you are working high school/college ball, isn't that what what you should be concentrating on?

I say that knowing from Ben's past posts that he is a fairly new/young official that seems to be struggling mightily with both the NFHS and NCAA rulesets. If you're working high school ball and you don't have a very good grasp of those rules, why waste time on a ruleset that you don't work?

[Cajun Reff]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Legitimate question.....not a flame.....

What possible good could NBA training be if you aren't working at that level? If you are working high school/college ball, isn't that what what you should be concentrating on?

I say that knowing from Ben's past posts that he is a fairly new/young official that seems to be struggling mightily with both the NFHS and NCAA rulesets. If you're working high school ball and you don't have a very good grasp of those rules, why waste time on a ruleset that you don't work?

as soon as I read his post, this is the first thing that came to my mind

and Salvatore's call seemed very unnecessary to me, Pierce did initiate contact and then he threw up a wild shot so if you dont blow the whistle on the contact then the Celtics had already been penalized by losing possession on the terrible shot

but he clearly travelled to initiate the contact and IMHO the travelling call should have been made

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Legitimate question.....not a flame.....

What possible good could NBA training be if you aren't working at that level? If you are working high school/college ball, isn't that what what you should be concentrating on?

There are people in this area that work Pro-Am ball with NBA Rules with current college and professional players. The officials use NBA/Pro-Am rules and mechanics and several NBA Officials help train and evaluate the officials. Some get the opportunity to work in other Pro leagues that could lead to NBDL or the WNBA. I cannot speak for what goes on in other parts of the country, but that is an option for people around here.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I say that knowing from Ben's past posts that he is a fairly new/young official that seems to be struggling mightily with both the NFHS and NCAA rulesets. If you're working high school ball and you don't have a very good grasp of those rules, why waste time on a ruleset that you don't work?

Learning pro rules does not mean you have to know other rules sets first.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Learning pro rules does not mean you have to know other rules sets first.

Which is fine, if you're not working games in those other rule sets.

[Adam]

I just heard on the radio that until this year, there have been 61 NBA finals; of which the Lakers or Celtics have won 30. So, after this year, those two teams will have combined for exactly half of all NBA finals champions.

And the Celtics have won 8 of their 16 championships against the Lakers, in 10 tries against them.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I just heard on the radio that until this year, there have been 61 NBA finals; of which the Lakers or Celtics have won 30. So, after this year, those two teams will have combined for exactly half of all NBA finals champions.

And the Celtics have won 8 of their 16 championships against the Lakers, in 10 tries against them.

Similar with Toronto and Montreal; they've accounted for just under half of all Stanley Cup winners.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

1)There are people in this area that work Pro-Am ball with NBA Rules with current college and professional players. The officials use NBA/Pro-Am rules and mechanics and several NBA Officials help train and evaluate the officials. Some get the opportunity to work in other Pro leagues that could lead to NBDL or the WNBA. I cannot speak for what goes on in other parts of the country, but that is an option for people around here.

2) Learning pro rules does not mean you have to know other rules sets first.

1) I was well aware of that. I am also aware that most of these Pro-Am leagues are mainly glorified rec leagues. I am also aware of the NBA Junior programs also that use NBA rules.

2) You missed my point completely. My point is that if an official is MAINLY working at the high school level, or maybe even doing a few D3/JUCO games, shouldn't that official spend the greater part of their time learning the rules, mechanics and philosophies of the level that they usually work in? Obviously, if btaylor is mainly or solely doing minor pro, NBDL or WNBA games, my post isn't germane or relevant. I was under the impression though, maybe wrongly, that Mr. Taylor is a young official with only a few years experience who is just breaking into high school varsity ball and also maybe doing some lower-level college stuff. If I am wrong in my assumption, I will certainly admit such.

My point was, and is, that imo an official should concentrate on learning the rules, mechanics and philosophies of the levels that they usually work in before spending a lot of time on another ruleset. I sureashell could be wrong, and it sureashell won't be the first time either, but it seems to me from his previous posts that Mr. Taylor knows a heckuva lot more about NBA rules than he does about NFHS/NCAA rules. If he is working mainly games played under NBA rules, then kudos to him. However, if he is working mainly games played under high school and college rules, then it might be a good idea for him imo to concentrate on the rulesets that he actually works.

[Cajun Reff]

I think if you want to reff real good you should learn the bennett salvatore or steve javie rule book and quite wasting time with that other stuff

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

My point was, and is, that imo an official should concentrate on learning the rules, mechanics and philosophies of the levels that they usually work in before spending a lot of time on another ruleset.

And a fine point it is. Now please move it to a new thread about philosophies, and leave this thread to people who would like to actually discuss the play.

[Adam]

Uh oh!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And a fine point it is. Now please move it to a new thread about philosophies, and leave this thread to people who would like to actually discuss the play.

Is this Bob or Mick hacking Scrappy's ID & speaking as a mod in this post?

Or should we get the mods to proclaim Scrappy as "Content Police Member"?

I'm fine either way... just trying to figure out your standing on this matter.

and btw... it seems the discussion on this play is he ffffed it up or he made a great call.
Except for you who is sitting exactly on the fence.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

And a fine point it is. Now please move it to a new thread about philosophies, and leave this thread to people who would like to actually discuss the play.

Good Lord, it's communicable. Now we got ourselves another one that wants to dictate what and where something should be posted.

Lah me........now the NBA philosophy isn't pertinent to an NBA foul call. I'm questioning whether there actually IS an NBA philosophy when it comes to fouls, traveling, etc., and if there is, then whatinthehell is it? Don't you think that might just be a teeny-weeny bit relevant to what you want to discuss?

Btw, you win. I'm outa this one. Buh-bye.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) I was well aware of that. I am also aware that most of these Pro-Am leagues are mainly glorified rec leagues. I am also aware of the NBA Junior programs also that use NBA rules.

2) You missed my point completely. My point is that if an official is MAINLY working at the high school level, or maybe even doing a few D3/JUCO games, shouldn't that official spend the greater part of their time learning the rules, mechanics and philosophies of the level that they usually work in? Obviously, if btaylor is mainly or solely doing minor pro, NBDL or WNBA games, my post isn't germane or relevant. I was under the impression though, maybe wrongly, that Mr. Taylor is a young official with only a few years experience who is just breaking into high school varsity ball and also maybe doing some lower-level college stuff. If I am wrong in my assumption, I will certainly admit such.

My point was, and is, that imo an official should concentrate on learning the rules, mechanics and philosophies of the levels that they usually work in before spending a lot of time on another ruleset. I sureashell could be wrong, and it sureashell won't be the first time either, but it seems to me from his previous posts that Mr. Taylor knows a heckuva lot more about NBA rules than he does about NFHS/NCAA rules. If he is working mainly games played under NBA rules, then kudos to him. However, if he is working mainly games played under high school and college rules, then it might be a good idea for him imo to concentrate on the rulesets that he actually works.

At the time, I knew my HS rules pretty well. I always made a 90+ on my tests, but let's just say i don't need to know them so much any more. I didn't do it like you want people to and you are probably right that officials should study the rulesets that they work the most but I had a goal to reach and I wanted to know the rules for it. That's just me though. I might have done it wrong but I don't regret it in the least.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

At the time, I knew my HS rules pretty well. I always made a 90+ on my tests, but let's just say i don't need to know them so much any more. I didn't do it like you want people to and you are probably right that officials should study the rulesets that they work the most but I had a goal to reach and I wanted to know the rules for it. That's just me though. I might have done it wrong but I don't regret it in the least.

Congratulations on reaching your goals and leaving high school ball in your rear-view mirror. You obviously had no interest in that level anyway. I take it that you are at least doing semi-pro, NBDL and WNBA games on a regular basis now.

Btw, does that apply to NCAA games too? Have you now gone beyond that level also? Just wondering.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Congratulations on reaching your goals and leaving high school ball in your rear-view mirror. You obviously had no interest in that level anyway. I take it that you are at least doing semi-pro, NBDL and WNBA games on a regular basis now.

Btw, does that apply to NCAA games too? Have you now gone beyond that level also? Just wondering.

Let me answer you without being the least bit condescending, like you have been with me ever since I started posting here. I haven't left HS in the rear view mirror, I still work it every once in a while, why heck, I even reffed some junior high games. I also ref some D2 and some D1 and i ref in the NBA Development League. I am only telling you this because it seems to be such a big issue for you. I would have preferred it just have been kept in anonymity but if you are that hellbent on it then here you are.

Lastly, I don't really have a problem with you but you seem to have one with me and I'm sorry about that, I'm just providing this forum with information of what I have been taught just like everyone else on here.