Celtics offensive foul call

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mick

Personally, I really liked the call, as well as being really surprised that call was made.

Those were exactly my thoughts, as well, Mick. That's why I mentioned that it seemed that the call goes against the defender almost all the time.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Those were exactly my thoughts, as well, Mick. That's why I mentioned that it seemed that the call goes against the defender almost all the time.

Are you kidding?

Do you *REALLY* like this call??

I don't. I thought it sucked.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Do you *REALLY* like this call??

I don't. I thought it sucked.

Well, IF there's a call, I don't think it can be against the defender in that play. Pierce clearly jumps to the side, outside his vertical plane, to initiate contact on the defender, who was already airborne, that probably wouldn't have occurred if he'd jumped straight up.'

You could argue for a no-call, and I wouldn't argue too hard against you.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You could argue for a no-call, and I wouldn't argue too hard against you.

Then you don't really like this call after all, do you?

Coud you defend ths call in your game? Sitting in the locker room with your assignor?

[Back In The Saddle]

I'm with Dan. Sure, he stepped into the defender's path. But not very much. I like a no call on this a LOT better than the offensive foul.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I'm with Dan. Sure, he stepped into the defender's path. But not very much. I like a no call on this a LOT better than the offensive foul.

Ref no calls it and all hell will break lose....way to much contact involving a shooter to not have something. If he calls nothing, the coaches, the fans, and the press will be raking him over the coals for not putting the shooter on the line (that would be the angle they would take).

His motion had absolutely nothing to do with taking the shot. It wasn't a basketball play. The defender had established a non-contact path and was in the air. Pierce gave up an open shot solely to create contact...his foul.

Reverse the roles....a defender moving the exact same way into the path of an airborne shooter...any question about that one?

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Ref no calls it and all hell will break lose....way to much contact involving a shooter to not have something. If he calls nothing, the coaches, the fans, and the press will be raking him over the coals for not putting the shooter on the line (that would be the angle they would take).

His motion had absolutely nothing to do with taking the shot. It wasn't a basketball play. The defender had established a non-contact path and was in the air. Pierce gave up an open shot solely to create contact...his foul.

Reverse the roles....a defender moving the exact same way into the path of an airborne shooter...any question about that one?

Good post Camron.

To help those out who claim to have no idea what is and is not a foul in the pro game, I am going to state some plays so when you see them you will know why they are called and if they are not then just chuck them up as missed plays:

There are 4 pertinent plays in which the nba wants offensive fouls called and they want them called as such due to the actions being overt in nature.

The first is a "wipe out" or "clear out" in which the offensive player goes in for a dunk or a layup and in doing so fends off the defender with his off arm in attempt to keep him from blocking the shot, contesting it, etc. He may also not lead with an unnatural knee or leg kick. This move is considered overt and will be deemed an offensive foul regardless of restricted area guidelines.

The second is leg kicks or unnatural extension of the leg by jump shooters in order to attempt to "fool the referee". Leg kicks of this nature will be deemed overt and an offensive foul will be called.

The third has also to do with jump shooters in which if the official judges that the defender will miss or not contact the shooter and the jump shooter makes an overt move to draw contact, this will also be deemed an offensive foul.

Lastly, is when a dribbler is coming up the floor and notices a trailing defender coming up behind him and "seeks him out" to draw contact. This will also be deemed an offensive foul.

There is just a snippet of what should be getting called. Like I said if it is not then chuck it up as a miss. We all miss plays. It's human nature.