Some help. AUU tourney situation

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

In regards to the assignor, if a High School or College AD or coach or a AAU host team administrator tells an assignor I don't want JoeRef at my school anymore because of XYZ reasons, chances are my assignor will probably not send me there. Its a business. Is it right? I don't think so, but it is a business. Just my .02.

Can't completely agree.

It sureasheck is a business....but....assignors have to provide bodies(hopefully but not necessarily always capable bodies ) to fill available games. Assignors therefore depend on the officials that work for them to be available for those games. Unfortunately, in most states there also seems to be an annual shortage of officials. If an assignor starts to lose good people because of a failure to keep his officials fairly content, he/she ain't gonna be the assignor for very long imo.

It doesn't do any assignor any good to have a ton of games available unless he can provide officials to do those games. And you aren't going to keep your officials or have officials go the extra mile for you when you need them to if you're crapping on them like tref got crapped on. If a legitimate complaint is received about an official, fine, the assignor should deal with it. An official righteously taking care of bidness ain't ever a legitimate complaint though imo.

Officials make their assignors look good, not vice-versa.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can't completely agree.

It sureasheck is a business....but....assignors have to provide bodies(hopefully but not necessarily always capable bodies ) to fill available games. Assignors therefore depend on the officials that work for them to be available for those games. Unfortunately, in most states there also seems to be an annual shortage of officials. If an assignor starts to lose good people because of a failure to keep his officials fairly content, he/she ain't gonna be the assignor for very long imo.

It doesn't do any assignor any good to have a ton of games available unless he can provide officials to do those games. And you aren't going to keep your officials or have officials go the extra mile for you when you need them to if you're crapping on them like tref got crapped on. If a legitimate complaint is received about an official, fine, the assignor should deal with it. An official righteously taking care of bidness ain't ever a legitimate complaint though imo.

Officials make their assignors look good, not vice-versa.

I like your words.

[rockyroad]

As scrappy-doo said, there's lots of good info in this thread concerning game management skills...what I have learned over the years ( in reffing and in teaching middle school kids) is that I will NEVER win a "banter-battle" with the kids on the court or in the classroom. So I set my boundaries and when those boundaries are crossed there are consequences...the players and students appreciate that and know how far they can go and they actually like the comfort level that knowledge brings. To suddenly have an official who gets mouthy back at them is like throwing gas on their little testosterone fire - it just gets them hotter and madder and they take it further - and then we look bad because we said this or that...life is much simple when you just administer the consequences for poor behavior and not worry about trying to "teach the kid a lesson" so to speak.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

...what I have learned over the years ( in reffing and in teaching middle school kids) is that I will NEVER win a "banter-battle" with the kids on the court or in the classroom. So I set my boundaries and when those boundaries are crossed there are consequences...the players and students appreciate that and know how far they can go and they actually like the comfort level that knowledge brings. To suddenly have an official who gets mouthy back at them is like throwing gas on their little testosterone fire - it just gets them hotter and madder and they take it further - and then we look bad because we said this or that...life is much simple when you just administer the consequences for poor behavior and not worry about trying to "teach the kid a lesson" so to speak.

That's true for the "kids" at all levels...going up and into their 40's also....