Thin Skinned? (Semi Long)

[devdog69]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I think Jurassic & Chuck summed it up for me. You did your
job by trying to talk this guy out of being a jerk, he
just refused to cooperate. Obviously he did not understand
his job. As for your tweaking, I think we can divide the
basketball world up into two parts: real basketball and the
rest of basketball. Certainly rec/AAU does not qualify
as real basketball for many good reasons. In a real game
you might have held off on the second T. So don't sweat it.

Also, and FWIW, I try to direct all warnings to the
assistant coach through the head coach. This let's him know
that it's now his job to leash his assistant. I'm sure
you know this, just throwing it in...

Dan makes some great points about the differences in how we handle people and how they handle themselves in the rec/AAu environments. Probably this would not have happened in a school sanctioned games because most of the coaches and assistants vaguely know the rules and are better able to recognize when they are close to crossing the line. Also, a good reminder about going through the head coach. This puts the (other) monkey (pun intended)on his back which is appropriate because he will be penalized for the assistants actions as well.

[Bart Tyson]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I checked, how else would I know? [/B]

Thats just gross!, sends chills up my spine just thinking about it. Uuuggg. You ought to be ashamed of yourself!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by Bart Tyson

Thats just gross!, sends chills up my spine just thinking about it. Uuuggg. You ought to be ashamed of yourself! [/B]

Hey, sometimes we endure the unendurable in our quest for
knowledge and understanding. Maybe one day I'll tell you
the story, she's a lot faster and stronger than she
looks...

[Dan_ref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias

Originally posted by Dan_ref

I wouldn't be too sure about it. From what I read at the time, when President Clinton told his cabinet and advisors that the Monica Lewinsky story was true, Secretary Albright was "extremely vocal" in expressing her displeasure at having been deceived about the affair. That had to take major cajones to scream at a sitting President in the Oval Office.

Chuck

Well, not to get too serious here but someone with major
cajones would have quietly left the room and resigned her
position.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

Hey, sometimes we endure the unendurable in our quest for
knowledge and understanding. Maybe one day I'll tell you
the story, she's a lot faster and stronger than she
looks...
[/B]

HEY, BRAD!! The line here is in your primary...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by DrakeM
You know Chuck,
I normally have the same philosophy.
The problem is I was dropped from State Playoffs this year for handling an assistant in this manner. Warning, inappropriate comment,"T". Complaint by losing team that got "T", done with playoffs.
So I think I'm just trying to figure out if I need to change
my way of thinking.
I admit I normally have a quicker trigger than alot of referees.
I think it is as devdog says, I just know what I will take and what I won't.
I've been taught by some pretty good people and I try to
handle things in a similar manner as they would.
I'm always learning and tweeking though.

Drake,don't change your way of thinking.Giving out T's when they are DESERVED is one way of assessing a good official-at ANY level.The weak ones are the ones that walk away from their problems instead of taking care of them.These guys can con and politic their way up to a certain level,but they'll never rise above that level.It will get recognized eventually that you're doing exactly what you are being paid to do.You also can look at yourself in a mirror after a game!

[Kelvin green]

Drake,
I whacked an assistant for telling me the call was terrible. He didnt like the fact that I called a PC foul on his player who was clearing players off him (read throwing elbow) but it was just a slight cock of the elbow and I didnt think it deserved an intentional because it was more of a push.
When a coach wants to try and show you up I agree whack him. Somehow we need to convince our association that it is ok to whack someone and stand up. I think we have too many whimps.
I remember one night I was doing a game. I whacked a coach for for yelling at me running on the floor to attend to an injured player. He wasnt beckoned, and didnt mention his player was hurt until he ran past me into the paint.

My partner after the injury was taken care of told the coach and he said that's crap and gave my partner a little shove. My partner whacked him and he was gone. The two officials who followed us told us that they never call T's and one stated he had officiated for nearly 20 year and had never called a T.... I think in many ways thats what the association promotes and it needs to change. Once a coach has one T he ought to just shut the *&&^% up. If he cant he can piss and moan all he wants from the parking lot

BTW email me who your partner was....

[Mark Padgett]

Even though I am not shy about giving out Ts (just ask Juulie), I always remember what Ed Hightower said about them: The purpose of a technical is to stop bad behavior. If you can stop the bad behavior without issuing the technical, you're just that much ahead.

Wise words, although I don't always follow them, to my displeasure.

[rcwilco]

I have a tape by Ed Hightower on technical fouls and, along with the statement Mark brought up, he said that anytime the coach interferes with your ability to call the game, call a T and make him earn the second one. Sounds like you did.

[DrakeM]

Thanks everybody for your input.
I do feel that I did the right thing.
It always bothers me when my actions turn things into a bit of chaos, even if they were warranted.
But hey, I'll get over it!

[johnSandlin]

Good job Drake. I think you did the right thing on both "T's". I had a similar situation this year at AAU tourny myself. We were working 3-man. One of my partners and I had been talking with the assistant all game long. Finally, the referee of the crew "wacked " the coach. Of course, the "T" was not well recieved. We are going along fine until the 4th quarter. I made an out of bounds call. The coach who got "T" gets up(told him this was not a good idea) and asks me how long have been an official. I told him not "do not to go there". Come back next time in front of him, he says it again how long have I been an official. I immediately "T" a second time and coach is gone. In summary, you did the right thing. Forget about the thin-skinned remarks. Keep up the good work.