Too many players on the court

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

To Mark Dexter: "But when they saw A1 step off the court, they didn't know that there were still five players left. IMO, no T in this case."

Wouldn't you have either:

1. Too many players
2. A player voluntarily leaving the playing court.
3. A player away from the bench area.

Aren't these all cases for a 'T'? You had to have something.

Two of these are not Ts at all for what you have described. I will take it a step further as a couple of people have made it clear what is wrong with your statement. On #3 is also not illegal if one player or bench personnel has to leave the bench area. It is not illegal for one player to go to the locker room or go to another part of the court to deal with an issue like blood on the jersey to change or an injury. Having 6 on the court is the only thing that is going to warrant a T in this situation.

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

And, the refs admitted they saw him, but "He got off the court quickly, so we let it go". I got the 'T' for unsportingly asking "How can you just ignore the rules like that!!!"

Easy, this is an AAU game. The purpose of these games is to have kids play the game of basketball, not follow all rules of the rulebook to the letter. And if you want to change that, then do not get upset when you get Ts for things like numbers on jersey being out of place or other uniform requirements, then I will worry about how many players are on the court and when to the letter.

Peace

[Coach Bill]

My fault. #2 is now just a violation, but it's a whistle at least. And, I think JRut is pushing it to imply that the 6th player was "going to the locker room" or "dealing with a blood issue". He jumped off in front of my bench and ran back to his bench and sat down.

But, he is right in that I believe it wasn't called because it's an AAU game. I had higher expectations from these refs. And, in the rare times this has happened in my AAU games, the T has always been called.

I was just responding to Mark Dexter, who admits to seeing the 6th guy jumping off the court but calls nothing. If he does that in his varsity high school game, then I think his evaluator would disagree.

[Coach Bill]

JRut: "get Ts for things like numbers on jersey being out of place or other uniform requirements, then I will worry about how many players are on the court and when to the letter".

Equating illegal jerseys with how many players are on the court? That's a good analogy. I think letting a team play with only 5 is pretty important. Let me know when you're reffing my game, so I know I can play 6 on 5.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

JRut: "get Ts for things like numbers on jersey being out of place or other uniform requirements, then I will worry about how many players are on the court and when to the letter".

Equating illegal jerseys with how many players are on the court? That's a good analogy. I think letting a team play with only 5 is pretty important. Let me know when you're reffing my game, so I know I can play 6 on 5.

Don't worry, coach. You are correct about this whole thing.
Mark is smarter than that. He doesn't really believe that all six kids must be counted simultaneously in order for there to be a penalty. It must have been $1 beer night at the campus wateringhole.
Rut likes to argue in circles.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

JRut: "get Ts for things like numbers on jersey being out of place or other uniform requirements, then I will worry about how many players are on the court and when to the letter".

Equating illegal jerseys with how many players are on the court? That's a good analogy. I think letting a team play with only 5 is pretty important. Let me know when you're reffing my game, so I know I can play 6 on 5.

Well was the game going on with 6 active players against 5 active players? The answer to that is obviously no there was not, so not sure what the big deal is. If there was an honest mistake, what is giving a T during what is an off-season league or tournament going to prove? All it is going to prove is the officials know the rules. You have not even said how there was an advantage to this situation or what affect this had on the game.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Don't worry, coach. You are correct about this whole thing.
Mark is smarter than that. He doesn't really believe that all six kids must be counted simultaneously in order for there to be a penalty. It must have been $1 beer night at the campus wateringhole.
Rut likes to argue in circles.

I am talking in circles and you not only agreed with me, it went against your basic point of view. Then again, you are the same person that tried to tell people how to have a discussion and you got upset over the application of a rule at a level you do not work.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Well was the game going on with 6 active players against 5 active players? The answer to that is obviously no there was not, so not sure what the big deal is. If there was an honest mistake, what is giving a T during what is an off-season league or tournament going to prove? All it is going to prove is the officials know the rules. You have not even said how there was an advantage to this situation or what affect this had on the game.

Peace

Kinda reaching here, aren't you? Do you call T's in order to prove something?
Apparently you needed proof that these guys know the rules.

I am sure the officials working the game were not the best officials around the area.....

Do advantage/affect on the game ever play a part in whether you make this particular call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Kinda reaching here, aren't you? Do you call T's in order to prove something?
Apparently you needed proof that these guys know the rules.

I do not know how I am reaching. The coach asked why something was not called and I gave an answer.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Do advantage/affect on the game ever play a part in whether you make this particular call?

Yes for me. And it is because often times other expected procedures would not apply that I stated in earlier in previous posts.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes for me. And it is because often times other expected procedures would not apply that I stated in earlier in previous posts.

Peace

Just so I understand. You apply advantage/disadvantage to 10-6?
Could you give an example of when you would not call this T?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Just so I understand. You apply advantage/disadvantage to 10-6?
Could you give an example of when you would not call this T?

I did not say anything about advantage/disadvantage. And considering that you like to add things that people do not say, let us end this discussion right now.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say anything about advantage/disadvantage. And considering that you like to add things that people do not say, let us end this discussion right now.

Peace

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You have not even said how there was an advantage to this situation or what affect this had on the game.

Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref
Do advantage/affect on the game ever play a part in whether you make this particular call?

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Yes for me.

[Nevadaref]

Hey Justa,

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref
Do advantage/affect on the game ever play a part in whether you make this particular call?

You obviously do not know what the term advantage/disadvantage means. Advantage/disadvantage is about fouls and contact. It is not about some technical application of a rule that is not designed for that league.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You obviously do not know what the term advantage/disadvantage means. Advantage/disadvantage is about fouls and contact. It is not about some technical application of a rule that is not designed for that league.

Peace

So why did you bring it up?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

So why did you bring it up?

Once again, this conversation is over your head; kind of like the previous discussion about "foul count" that you still do not understand to this day.

Peace