Call The T

[Rich]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

If something is legal at the NCAA level, it's not the NCAA officials' problem if it bleeds down to the high school kids. It's our job in our HS games to call it, regardless of where it comes from.

Preach on, brutha.

I've had this happen before - in football, basketball, baseball. The easiest response is, "Well, this isn't college basketball, is it?"

[iref4him]

Overall, I think they made the right decision. I was once told by Hue Hollins, retired NBA official, be right but don't be dead right. Dead right is by the book and no leway for application, game management, game contorl, game pressence, game awareness. IF he would have called the 'T', I would have ok with it, too. But there are so many factors while you are officiating that somehow & someway not all things are equal. Case in point. I saw a game where a player went down hard the ball was stolen and they went to the other end of the court. The player did not get up, started bleeding, and the coach ran onto the floor before the play was stopped. The officals would have been dead right to call the 'T' for being out of the box while the game is on...but the officials saw this differently -- they just suspended play. NO 'T'. ..Just a thought...

[rockchalk jhawk]

OK, so informal poll...

Take the same situation from last nights game (re: ball slam) on an ordinary night in a varsity high school game. Do you bang him?

What about in a middle school game?

[Adam]

Varsity: maybe, at least a quick chat.
middle school: maybe, at least a quick chat.

[Big2Cat]

Originally Posted by iref4him

Overall, I think they made the right decision. I was once told by Hue Hollins, retired NBA official, be right but don't be dead right. Dead right is by the book and no leway for application, game management, game contorl, game pressence, game awareness. IF he would have called the 'T', I would have ok with it, too. But there are so many factors while you are officiating that somehow & someway not all things are equal. Case in point. I saw a game where a player went down hard the ball was stolen and they went to the other end of the court. The player did not get up, started bleeding, and the coach ran onto the floor before the play was stopped. The officals would have been dead right to call the 'T' for being out of the box while the game is on...but the officials saw this differently -- they just suspended play. NO 'T'. ..Just a thought...

I think Hue Hollins is the official I love the most. Didn't he call the phantom foul on Scottie Pippen that finally got my Knicks past the Bulls? Then I agree with Hue.

[shave-tail]

If anyone has this TIVO'ed watch what happens to the ball.......If I remember it correctly, a KU player catches the ball....he then slams the ball down and it goes off his foot into the crowd. Can anyone confirm this?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by shave-tail

If anyone has this TIVO'ed watch what happens to the ball.......If I remember it correctly, a KU player catches the ball....he then slams the ball down and it goes off his foot into the crowd. Can anyone confirm this?

It goes a few feet above his head but doesn't go into the crowd. I wasn't sure about this at first when I saw it last night but after talking about it in the chat room and reading the threads here, I am inclined to agree that not calling the T was correct. Billy Packer thought it was the best call of the tournament I think....

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Big2Cat

I think Hue Hollins is the official I love the most. Didn't he call the phantom foul on Scottie Pippen that finally got my Knicks past the Bulls? Then I agree with Hue.

In Chicago, he's known as Hue 'no clue' Hollins. After all these years, his name still evokes the wrath of bull's fans.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I hate to break it to you, expectations change as the levels move up. Sorry, but that is the reality here.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I know I officiate the same way at the college level as I do at the HS level when the rules and interpretations are exactly the same. The major difference is the players are bigger and faster. But the way I deal with coaches, conduct, and situations is exactly the same.

Does this mean that you fail to meet someone's expectations at one level or the other?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Does this mean that you fail to meet someone's expectations at one level or the other?

I work college basketball, so the answer is no.

Peace

[Rock Chalk]

I don't know if this has been talked about in this thread, but if you want a T for Roberts slamming the ball down, why aren't you calling for a T for Kansas having their whole team on the floor with 2 seconds left in OT? watch the replay...they are all 5-8 feet onto the court celebrating.

If you want CDR to get a T for doing what he did, shouldn't you also be calling for a T for too many players on the court? I mean isn't Kansas making a mockery of the game by playing 13 on 5? That doesn't seem fair to me.

By the way

ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK

[ChuckElias]

Since my name is being tossed around here, and I was in the chat room with all you bozos, I might as well share my two cents.

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I don't care what the score is and what game it is, it is not the NBA, slam the ball get a T. I don't care who you are frustrated with...Every player knows you don't do that. I'm disappointed with Hightower after that!

Here's my only question to you, RR: why is it a T? What rule is violated by bouncing the ball in frustration after you've missed 2 critical FTs to lose the nat'l championship?

Is it unsporting? IMHO, it's not. It's frustration directed at himself -- not an opponent or an official.

Is it delaying the game, as somebody else mentioned? It was clearly not, as a TO had just been granted.

So what's the rule basis for a T here? I don't think there is one. I know there are officials who think it's an "automatic", but I just don't see why it should be. You say "every player knows you don't do that". Every player also knows it's a foul to get the rebound while you're behind another player. We don't care what the players know about the rules. If you are an official who knows the real rules and understands the game, then you can pass on the "call" without worry.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Here's my only question to you, RR: why is it a T? What rule is violated by bouncing the ball in frustration after you've missed 2 critical FTs to lose the nat'l championship?

Is it unsporting? IMHO, it's not. It's frustration directed at himself -- not an opponent or an official.

Is it delaying the game, as somebody else mentioned? It was clearly not, as a TO had just been granted.

So what's the rule basis for a T here? I don't think there is one.

Good grief, Chuck. No one asked for a voice of reason here.

Dan said to tell you to get back into your tree.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by Reffing Rev.

I don't care what the score is and what game it is, it is not the NBA, slam the ball get a T. I don't care who you are frustrated with...Every player knows you don't do that. I'm disappointed with Hightower after that!

No T there.

Now, I am surprised no delay warning wasn't given to Dozier for the grabbing the ball out of the net and pointing to his peeps in the crowd.

But, who am I to criticize, I was on the couch.

I thought they called a pretty consistent game to be honest.

[26 Year Gap]

The only thing I saw that had an effect on the outome was the inability to make free throws by Memphis in the last 2 minutes. But maybe that is just me.