The media is at it again.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it was a generalization then I would not have given a specific example.

You attributed an isolated incident to an entire industry. That is a generalization.

I guess I am missing the point you are making. Because when fans come here and make statements, we usually require specific information or specific situations.

Exactly.

You provided specific information for the incident you referred to. Then you went on to make yet ANOTHER sweeping generalization about "media people" (which ones? what are their names and what stories did they write?) talking to "coaches" (which coaches? regarding which games?) about....you know, I don't even know about what. You just threw out some random "media people" talking to random "coaches" about nothing specifically. It would be nice if we all knew what event or story you were referring to so we could know exactly what your point was.

Maybe you do not know what specific means. Do you want social security numbers and Tax ID numbers of all the outlets that put out the information? Would that make the example much more specific?

Peace

Maybe I need to explain this in a more simple manner for you.

This board has a standard to which it holds posters. That is, if you're going to complain about something relating to officiating, you probably should have your facts straight. I think the same standard should be upheld for other professions. So, if you're going to call out the media for "many references" to reporters giving false information to readers via coaches (as referenced in your last post), you probably should have your facts straight and lay them out for all of us. Is there a specific story or coach that you were referring to in your last post or were you just spouting off about the media? I think that's a fair question.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fiasco

You attributed an isolated incident to an entire industry. That is a generalization.

What statement specifically?

Originally Posted by fiasco

Exactly.

You provided specific information for the incident you referred to. Then you went on to make yet ANOTHER sweeping generalization about "media people" (which ones? what are their names and what stories did they write?) talking to "coaches" (which coaches? regarding which games?) about....you know, I don't even know about what. You just threw out some random "media people" talking to random "coaches" about nothing specifically. It would be nice if we all knew what event or story you were referring to so we could know exactly what your point was.

Media members on a regular basis claim standards with sources, information and claim that you cannot report said facts unless you meet a certain level of fact checking comes first. And I have heard many media members talk openly about their standards and even criticize other outlets that do not uphold those "journalistic standards" when reporting stories. On this same program that where Hill talked about the NBDL Tryouts, one of the "Forum members" talked about how he could not run a story the way Censeco wrote his accounts of A-Rod in his book. Then he went on to say that one source would not work and he would not be allowed to run such a story about a player being accused using steroids.

Originally Posted by fiasco

Maybe I need to explain this in a more simple manner for you.

This board has a standard to which it holds posters. That is, if you're going to complain about something relating to officiating, you probably should have your facts straight. I think the same standard should be upheld for other professions. So, if you're going to call out the media for "many references" to reporters giving false information to readers via coaches (as referenced in your last post), you probably should have your facts straight and lay them out for all of us. Is there a specific story or coach that you were referring to in your last post or were you just spouting off about the media? I think that's a fair question.

This board is about officiating and it not related to other professions. Most people that officiate sports, officiating is not their primary job. And many things that are discussed here are based on opinions. There have been many discussions on politics of officiating or camps recently and most of the information is based on opinions one way or the other. And most of that information also is illustrated by people's personal situations and interactions. People's perceptions are not always factual but this forum is not to educate the general public or to make sure that every thing said is checked and double checked. Also many people here that make comments are not using their real names or do not even tell us where they live or what organizations they are associated with. Not the same as someone that writes for ESPN or the New York Times when talking about either sports or politics. And my comments are not about what fans say about officials. That is a separate issue and not something that I get upset by if a fan makes a statement about officials here. Fans are not media members just like the average person is not a Governor that pays for prostitutes.

Peace

[truerookie]

The media create issues to boost ratings. It's all a ploy. Some may go as far as to try and stand out from the crowd. IMO

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by truerookie

The media create issues to boost ratings. It's all a ploy. Some may go as far as to try and stand out from the crowd. IMO

You do not want to be making those kinds of generalizations. You might have to face the wrath of the fiasco.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

Ice cream before bed is fun!





Seriously - guys, he has a point. I don't necessarily think he's 100% right in this particular case - but his overall point is valid.

I don't think it's unreasonable for us to be aware of how we comment on the actions/words of other "professions".

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

Seriously - guys, he has a point. I don't necessarily think he's 100% right in this particular case - but his overall point is valid.

I don't think it's unreasonable for us to be aware of how we comment on the actions/words of other "professions".

To compare fanboys and what people say about the media is laughable. I do not expect the same from some guy that calls in to a radio show or posts on an internet with a funny name to be factually accurate as compared to someone that works for ESPN and reports on sports.

Peace

[canuckrefguy]

I think what fiasco was saying - and what I was referring to - was us, as officials, being conscious of how quick we are to judge, criticize, and second-guess others....seeing as how we can be sometimes be fairly defensive when it comes to others coming here and criticizing us.

To be aware of that, I don't think, is unreasonable.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

I think what fiasco was saying - and what I was referring to - was us, as officials, being conscious of how quick we are to judge, criticize, and second-guess others....seeing as how we can be sometimes be fairly defensive when it comes to others coming here and criticizing us.

To be aware of that, I don't think, is unreasonable.

Once again, I do not compare a fan that is supporting a team with a media member that can fact check information and is reporting to the general public. Even if I had an opinion about this issue, I do not have a forum to voice that opinion on the national airways or I do not write an article that millions have the opportunity to read. I guess what we say here can be seen by millions, but the reality a very small percentage of people will ever read our comments here and our comments are not referenced as fact about sports and officiating.

Hill suggested that the NBA is looking for the average Joe off the street that has never officiated a game in their life to work in the NBA. Not only is that not true, there is no suggestion that this information is true. If you have never worked a JH game in your life, chances of you working in the NBA or being hired by the NDBL is slim to none. She could have fact checked that information before spouting off what the "try out" actually entailed.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by fiasco

You attributed an isolated incident to an entire industry. That is a generalization.

If you thing such incidents are isolated, either your TV is broken, your newspaper delivery person is throwing it to the wrong house, or you live in a heavily censored country.

Comments by journalists regarding the rules, interpretations, judgement, and the general way things work in officiating of just about any sport are far more erroneous than they should be and perhaps even erroneous more often than correct....largely because they're too arrogant to admit they don't know the topic so well as they think and continually perpetuate myths and untruths.

And yes, it is perfectly acceptable for us to criticize them when they're misreporting about our industry. It would not be appropriate for us to be so overtly critical if they were discussing the nuances of ballroom dancing.