the end of the Lakers/W's game

[lpbreeze]

Go to the 7 minute mark. and 8 50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piHxZ...eature=related



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280324009
The video is wrong. maybe nba.com has it or they will update- from the first game.
I was watching it live. A similar play happened at the end of the NCAA game but I forget which one. they called a block on the d.
Missed call at the end of the game, clearly the call was a factor in the outcome of the game.-- (that's for my Sensei JR.)
Now even the best ref could miss that call and I got to hand it to Fisher because the cagey Vet made a great move to get the call. He grabbed Ellis first and fell down. Vlade would be proud. My problem with the play are the other two refs. If a call is wrong why can't one of them quickly huddle up and talk about it. They do it on out of bounds calls sometimes and a few times on fouls called.

"When the Warriors attempted to inbound the ball at midcourt, Delaney called an offensive foul on Ellis while he was tangled up with Fisher. Both players appeared to have their arms around each other, but the call infuriated the Warriors and all but handed the game to the Lakers, who got two clinching free throws from Bryant with 3.3 seconds to play."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280324009
The video is wrong. maybe nba.com has it or they will update- from the first game.
I was watching it live. A similar play happened at the end of the NCAA game but I forget which one. they called a block on the d.
Missed call at the end of the game, clearly the call was a factor in the outcome of the game.-- (that's for my Sensei JR.)
Now even the best ref could miss that call and I got to hand it to Fisher because the cagey Vet made a great move to get the call. He grabbed Ellis first and fell down. Vlade would be proud. My problem with the play are the other two refs. If a call is wrong why can't one of them quickly huddle up and talk about it. They do it on out of bounds calls sometimes and a few times on fouls called.

"When the Warriors attempted to inbound the ball at midcourt, Delaney called an offensive foul on Ellis while he was tangled up with Fisher. Both players appeared to have their arms around each other, but the call infuriated the Warriors and all but handed the game to the Lakers, who got two clinching free throws from Bryant with 3.3 seconds to play."

If you are using a play from an NBA game to make a point with JR, good luck to you.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

My problem with the play are the other two refs. If a call is wrong why can't one of them quickly huddle up and talk about it. They do it on out of bounds calls sometimes and a few times on fouls called.

If one official is responsible for seeing the whole play, and makes a judgment, that judgment is allowed to stand. If one official is only responsible for seeing part of the play, and something happens that another official is responsible for, then the officials get together.

As I read it, your play fits the first statement; your OOB example fits the second.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=280324009
The video is wrong. maybe nba.com has it or they will update- from the first game.
I was watching it live. A similar play happened at the end of the NCAA game but I forget which one. they called a block on the d.
Missed call at the end of the game, clearly the call was a factor in the outcome of the game.-- (that's for my Sensei JR.)
Now even the best ref could miss that call and I got to hand it to Fisher because the cagey Vet made a great move to get the call. He grabbed Ellis first and fell down. Vlade would be proud. My problem with the play are the other two refs. If a call is wrong why can't one of them quickly huddle up and talk about it. They do it on out of bounds calls sometimes and a few times on fouls called.

"When the Warriors attempted to inbound the ball at midcourt, Delaney called an offensive foul on Ellis while he was tangled up with Fisher. Both players appeared to have their arms around each other, but the call infuriated the Warriors and all but handed the game to the Lakers, who got two clinching free throws from Bryant with 3.3 seconds to play."

It was a good call. Ellis went through Fisher before the grab happened.

[pizanno]

even Fisher says no-call:

"I thought it was going to be a no-call, just two guys fall down and the play goes on," Fisher said. "So when the whistle blew, it caught me off-guard as well. ... I don't think anybody was necessarily guilty of anything, but from the angle that Bob had, it looked [Ellis] had his hands to my chest, which he did. But like I said, I wasn't trying to fall down at all in that situation."


Out of the three officials, T has the best view of this play, no? L is certainly straightlined.

[lpbreeze]

that's what I thought. The T could have seen it from the start. I don't believe Fisher for a second

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

that's what I thought. The T could have seen it from the start. I don't believe Fisher for a second

So we are now taking the words of players for rules knowledge or situations that need calling? That just further proves you are a fraud. I do not care what Fisher says, he was run over and something should be called. Fisher did not flop or fake being fouled in any way. You cannot just run over someone and expect nothing to be called.

I can see you will never learn.

Peace

[lpbreeze]

does anyone know the college game I mentioned? It was at the end of the game and they called a block. I think it was the second round. My main point for bringing up the play was that I thought the other two refs could have talked about the call and possibly overturned it but that might not have been the case in this play as Jenkins mentioned. The trail had a good view of it though.

[SMEngmann]

There was no definitive angle to prove that there was a grab by Fisher before Ellis went through him. The only way that could have happened before the push was if Fisher grabbed with his right hand. Slot had a great look and called nothing and there is no camera angle that definitively shows a hold. No way IMO that this could have been a no call, especially at that point in the game on a set inbounds play.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by pizanno

Out of the three officials, T has the best view of this play, no?

Suppose that's true. It doesn't mean that trail was looking there (especially if the play was out of his area). It also doesn't mean L didn't see something T missed (if not on this play, then in general). So T trusts L to make the call. It's what is best for teh game overall, even if it results in a "missed call" this time. And, even if it is a missed call, so what? mistakes happen. Get over it.