the end of the Lakers/W's game

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

My main point for bringing up the play was that I thought the other two refs could have talked about the call and possibly overturned it .

Could you explain the thought process behind overturning a partner's foul call?? How do you do that? Have you ever tried to do that? What rule basis did you use for doing that? I would seriously love to read your thinking on this...

[lpbreeze]

I've seen fouls overturned in an NBA game before. I saw a technical against Payton get rescinded because he would have been ejected. A young ref called it. You see blocks turn into charges or the other way around. I overturned a backcourt call my partner made because he made a mistake and we quickly settled it and the coaches were fine with it.
From the replay the refs were talking. I don't know what about and it would have been controversial to overturn it but the official who called the play did not see it from the start. There is another angle that was shown after the game from the baseline and from the start Fisher grabbed Ellis. crafty move

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

You see blocks turn into charges or the other way around. I

That's becuase of the Restricted Area around the basket.

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

I overturned a backcourt call my partner made because he made a mistake and we quickly settled it and the coaches were fine with it.

No....you gave your partner some pertinent and factual information (most likely a tip of the ball by a defender) and he took your information and reversed his own call.


How does one "overturn" a blocking call in a HS/college game? If I call a block you mean my partner can come over and give me information that would change my call? What factual information can a partner give to overturn a blocking call in college/HS ball?

[lpbreeze]

so what was wrong with one of the other refs giving factual information and then the call possibly could have been changed. I've seen fouls changed this year that have nothing to do with the restricted area. From the information Delaney had he thought he was making the correct call and I do not blame him for making it. But he did not have the whole picture. The replay shows that. I simply feel his partners could have stepped in.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

so what was wrong with one of the other refs giving factual information and then the call possibly could have been changed. I've seen fouls changed this year that have nothing to do with the restricted area. From the information Delaney had he thought he was making the correct call and I do not blame him for making it. But he did not have the whole picture. The replay shows that. I simply feel his partners could have stepped in.

I am absolutely sure that you haven't seen a block/charge changed if it wasn't one of these two scenarios:

1. It involved the restricted area under the basket.

2. There was a double-whistle and they got together before giving a preliminary.

Fouls are judgement calls that simply don't get "changed" like that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

so what was wrong with one of the other refs giving factual information and then the call possibly could have been changed. I've seen fouls changed this year that have nothing to do with the restricted area. From the information Delaney had he thought he was making the correct call and I do not blame him for making it. But he did not have the whole picture. The replay shows that. I simply feel his partners could have stepped in.

You are saying that just because we have a different look that means that our information is "factual."

I am really starting to see why you are getting all the crap that you are. That is completely absurd. And if you do not know why, then that tells me all I need to know about your vast officiating knowledge.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am really starting to see why you are getting all the crap that you are. That is completely absurd. And if you do not know why, then that tells me all I need to know about your vast officiating knowledge.

You gotta admit the lad is consistent though.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You gotta admit the lad is consistent though.

Coaches must love him if he's consistent. It's "all they want" in officials.

[lpbreeze]

I'm using the factual part as a response to BadNews post. my example of the backcourt call when I gave information to get the call changed.
The fact on this play is Delaney did not see the whole play. Just look at the replay and defend it. Disagree all you want but I would have loved to see the other refs step in. If the call stands then that is fine but just because someone calls the fouls doesn't mean it can't be changed even at the nba level .

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

I'm using the factual part as a response to BadNews post. my example of the backcourt call when I gave information to get the call changed.
The fact on this play is Delaney did not see the whole play. Just look at the replay and defend it. Disagree all you want but I would have loved to see the other refs step in. If the call stands then that is fine but just because someone calls the fouls doesn't mean it can't be changed even at the nba level .

I just can't wait for the time when you're using your "superior judgement" in a game to call a foul on a block, and the veteran official you're calling with catches you on the way to the table and says, "Hey, breeze, that looked really clean to me. I think we should waive that foul off and we'll go to the arrow."

Let me know how those conversations go.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

Disagree all you want but I would have loved to see the other refs step in. If the call stands then that is fine but just because someone calls the fouls doesn't mean it can't be changed even at the nba level .

Hey, try it out next year. Go change a few of your partner's foul calls.Don't forget to let us know how it turns out too.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

I'm using the factual part as a response to BadNews post. my example of the backcourt call when I gave information to get the call changed.
The fact on this play is Delaney did not see the whole play. Just look at the replay and defend it. Disagree all you want but I would have loved to see the other refs step in. If the call stands then that is fine but just because someone calls the fouls doesn't mean it can't be changed even at the nba level .

The angle that I saw, you do not see the entire play. I only saw the very end. Also the T if not mistaken was on the out of bounds play looking at the thrower and the Lead was looking at the players on the court. I tend to believe that the lead saw everything rather than part of the play. Now, if you do not like the call that is your issue. That does not mean the NBA thought it was a bad call or that the officials working the game did either. And I bet they are much more qualified than you are to evaluate the play.

The bottom line is you do not have the experience to evaluate, because you probably do not even know the mechanics involved. If you did, then it would not be a problem to see how the call was made. In my opinion something needed to be called and likely the official saw everything and you are reacting to the media that knows nothing.

Peace

[TonyT]

I refuse to watch that garbage. I always said it was rigged and then when it came out it was I had a big laugh. It should be for entertainment purposes only. The refs should wear rainbow wigs and a red rubber nose because the NBA is a CIRCUS!!!!!!!!

[lpbreeze]

I actually think nba refs are great most of the time. I missed most of the Suns-Spurs series and all that hoopla. Unlike most fans the only time I thought the officials were favoring a team was during the Trailblazers-Lakers series about 6 years ago. Of course there was that incident during Kareem Abdul-Jabbar farewell game...
Kareem:- "Are you nuts? It's my farewell game."
Ref "Well then, let me be the first to say, 'Farewell!"

[tmp44]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

Of course there was that incident during Kareem Abdul-Jabbar farewell game...
Kareem:- "Are you nuts? It's my farewell game."
Ref "Well then, let me be the first to say, 'Farewell!"

Actually not a bad movie....I just hope Breeze knows its from a movie......