Cal/UCLA DD??

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

Good points here. Shooting over the backboard is NOT legal in NCAA. Based on what I saw, I believe that the officials call a fist violation, which is why there was more time on the clock and the ball was inbounded on the sideline. If that was the case, however, I believe there should have been 1.5on the clock since the clock was stopped at 1.5 when the fist occurred. Either that or the ball should have been inbounded on the endline with however much time left that they determined when the ball was OOB.

In terms of the "foul" the announcers were barking about, there was no angle that definitively showed any foul. Further, the C made an excellent OOB call giving it to UCLA, so I very much doubt he could "swallow the whistle" if he was that focused on the OOB play. As for the over the backboard, judgement call and it was pretty close, so I think they erred on the side of counting the basket.

Okay, a fist call makes sense. I thought that's what it looked like, but forgot to think about how that would affect the clock.

I also thought the oob call by the C was excellent. That replay from the C's angle made it very, very clear. Regarding the foul, I think there may have been a swung arm, but the ball movement didn't reflect the kind of hack on the arm that the announcers wanted. It looked like a good no call to me.

I did think they could have called a hold on UCLA before the Cal player got the ball. It looked like one UCLA player had his arm all the way around, wth a generous helping of jersey in the hand.

[BillyMac]

Wow. I thought I was the only one to call a fist violation this season. I had some concerns that I was being an overly officious official.

Note to Mark Padgett: Please leave this one alone. I already know what you're thinking.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Okay, a fist call makes sense. I thought that's what it looked like, but forgot to think about how that would affect the clock.

I also thought the oob call by the C was excellent. That replay from the C's angle made it very, very clear. Regarding the foul, I think there may have been a swung arm, but the ball movement didn't reflect the kind of hack on the arm that the announcers wanted. It looked like a good no call to me.

I did think they could have called a hold on UCLA before the Cal player got the ball. It looked like one UCLA player had his arm all the way around, wth a generous helping of jersey in the hand.

As far as the double dribble at 15:38 of the 2nd half, I blew a rule this year so I'm not judging, but Dave blew the rule or he thought he saw something that never happened. The Cal player caught the ball, threw it down with 2 hands and recovered the ball. All he did was start a dribble and end a dribble.
So either he reacted with a whistle to an unusual but legal play, or he didn't know it was legal. Like I said I'm not judging a 9 time Final four official.
Shipp's shot was not over the backboard. I watched it 5 times and I saw it go beside the corner not over. And it was so close -- good no call.
To me there is no way they called a fist violation on the ensuing inbound.
There was 1.5 on the clock and the 1st touch was a fist. If they called the violation there would have been 1.2 left not 0.7; I think they were trying to judge how long it took from the touch to where it would have touched out of bounds. The angles I saw did not show the ball in the picture where it would have touched out of bounds.
Any thought to a technical foul on UCLA for entering the court before the expiration of time???