Tenn/UF--giving help outside your area but getting it right

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Ok, Dan, since you're SO wonderful and can handle the entire court, why don't you just take your partner's game checks prior to the toss and send them home. That way you can have the whole game to yourself and all of the calls will be perfect.

That should make you happy.

Geeze... after reading this question from you I'm thinking maybe that little "JV" should be a big "JV" after all.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

My responses are the exact reverse of Jug's because of what zebraman wrote. As the C, I am NOT watching the play that is TWO feet in front of my partner. If he can't handle that play, then that's his problem and he can answer to the powers that be for it.

So I would:
NEVER help in this situation, but for circumstances in which I would help a partner the time left in the game does matter to me. If a partner blows a call in the 1st half the team still has plenty of game time to recover. I'm very likely to just let him live with it. However, if there is a blown call in the last minute, the team that suffers has very little opportunity to make up for it, so I would be much more likely to offer my suggestion.

I do agree with him that the original calling official should be the one to reverse his own call. The Japanese concept of saving face comes into play here. I never want to embarrass a partner on the court.

Wait wait wait.....if it happens in the first half the team has time to recover???? Are you kidding?! What kind of mindset is that!?! If you have information that you take with you to the locker room and hang your partner out to dry, you're not who I want to work with, that's for sure. That sounds like it's a little lacking in integrity. It's not up to us to decide when it's important to get the play right.
Secondly, it's not about saving face or "should" let calling official change it---it's the rule.
Art. 3. No official shall have authority to set aside or question decisions
made by the other official(s) within the limits of their respective outlined
duties.
Art. 4. One official may assist another by providing additional information
related to a made decision.
Art. 5. The referee’s decision shall not take precedence over that of the
umpire(s) in calling a foul or violation.
You can't overrule a partner's foul or violation. You provide information and it's still up to the calling official to change it or not.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Anyone see the Vols(A)/Gators(B) game last night.

Less than 10 seconds left Vols have a spot throw-in in its b/c on the baseline. A1 tries a short pass to A2 right in front of him but B1 immediately knocks the ball from from A2's hands OOB. Trail gives ball back to Vols but then "C" runs over and they have discussion. Lead (crew chief I believe) then comes to join in but appears to just listen. After conference the "C" blows his whistles and points for Gators to get the ball.

Replays show conclusively that the ball did hit the top of A1's foot OOB.

Thoughts? Would you have done the same if you were the "C" in this sitch? How about if it were 14 minutes left in the 1st half? Should it make a difference? In the sitch above, after the decision was made do you think the Trail should have come out the conference and been the one to signal Gators' ball?

What would Doug Shows have done?

Not criticizing, just wanna hear different philosophies or folks who have had similar game scenarios.

Forgot to add that Tennessee was up by 3-points so the possession was very significant.

Also, the play that led to the throw-in was an easy PC foul in the paint. But the annoucers (Billy Packer being one of them) were confused as to the call. They claimed another official had signaled a block and the Lead had "over-ruled" him . Did anyone see either the T or C with a whistle/preliminary on that play.

[inigo montoya]

Yeah, that was bizarre. I was thinking "how is that NOT a PC foul on Werner [Florida]?" when those two were going on about how bad the blocking call was. The lead signalled PC the whole way.

The angles on the in-bounds play were a little crazy. With the press on, I think it's great that the C was helping out there. If I remember right, he was in position to be able to see the throw-in while still watching a matchup or two in his own primary. And with < 10 seconds to go, with a one-possession game, you do want to make sure you get EVERYTHING right.

I'm still not sure how the last OOB play went to Tennessee (not to mention a full second running off after the whistle sounded but what're ya gonna do?) as it looked obvious to me that it was rebounded OOB by Tenn. But I'll admit i'm a homer.