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If you look @ the Youtube video and pause it @ the 38 second mark, then play/pause all the way up until the shot is released you can see the ball in the air while the LED lights are not on around the backboard. Again this is with us slowing a real time play down & watching it over and over again to see. IMO, this would be next to impossible to know for sure if it was good or not. I'm not saying they guessed, I'm just saying that as close as the play was it could've went either way.
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See rule 2-5-3. Note that this article only comes into play IF the officials disagree. Quite obviously the officials DIDN'T disagree. They waved the basket off. |
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When I saw the video on the news website, I thought that the shot was late.
After seeing it on youtube, I believe the opposite. I was able to pause the clip at 33 seconds and the ball is definitely in flight. Tough call. Big call. Very close. |
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I can't really tell in the video, but can anyone say with certainty that the ball was out of his hands before the horn? The rule is clear the quarter ends at the sound of the horn. In the video it appears that the ball was clearly in flight when the horn went off and one of official was is in perfect position to see that because he was even with the ball when it was going over half court and the horn sounds.
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I wish they would make some sort of tv/video exception of the big games like State playoffs. Not for the regular season though. I'm not sure if the equipment was there for that game. The video could have been shot by a fan so that would not be allowed. Instead the refs are put in a very tough place and are forced to decide a victor. Sorry, but I don't buy that refs don't decide the game argument. They did in this case and it looks like they got it wrong although I can't fault them for it because it was such a difficult call. If they could have reviewed it perhaps they would have overturned it. Only reviews for a few types of plays.
---FoxSpots here in California were showing the high school state games on tv and they had highlights. It was obvious on a play the ball did not cross the line for a touchdown. They did it in slow motion. If there is access then why not use it in a very limited fashion? Last edited by lpbreeze; Wed Mar 05, 2008 at 12:19am. |
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The one reason I say they were guessing is because they got it wrong. The ball was clearly in flight before the LED light and the horn. And I'm not saying they should have known for sure either way.... it was a highly unusual play with a quick release from 80 feet. We all get plays wrong. All I was doing was using book language to back what I have done and will continue to do in those situations. I had a double overtime game this year and we had buzzer beater shots at the end of regulation to tie it, 1st overtime to tie it, and the 2nd overtime to win it. On first one, the gym was so loud no one on the crew could hear the horn and it was so close that we had no definite knowledge it shouldn't count, so we counted it. 2nd shot we had definite knowledge as the ball was released with .4 and the 3rd was released with .3 on the clock.
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I think this is the key to the whole thing. C is ahead of the play, not sure which way he was looking. T is on the opposite side of the court, probably with no angle to peek at a clock in anticipation of this shot. Moreover, I would guess that everybody's first thought, including the officials, was, "WOW, HE MADE IT!" even before they thought, "Was it in time?"
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In this case, the horn did sound. We have no indication that trouble hearing the horn was any part of the problem.
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