SC 4A Final - you make the call

[Gmoore]

Looks to me the officials made the correct call,If you watch the backboard behind the player you will see it turn red before he let the shot go.

[grunewar]

Wow, incredible finish! From what I could see looks like a good, tough call. Agree, hard to tell though if the ball is out of the "shooter/thrower's" hand when the light goes on and horn sounds.

When it's tourney time, only one team wins the last game!

[jdw3018]

I'd also add, just from what I've been told, that many in attendance think there was a difference between the light on the board and the horn. No idea if that's fan-boy talk, but it's what I heard the day after from some officials around here.

Needless to say, that's a tough, tough call and an amazing ending to the ball game. Lots of good state final games here in SC this year.

[Gimlet25id]

I have to agree!! That is a tough, tough play to get right. From the camera angle it does, "kinda," seem like the LED lights are on while the ball is in the shooters hand, maybe.

The horn almost sounds like it came after the shot. Who knows with the quality of the video feed. Since light travels faster then sound I could see where some would think they weren't synced.

[Gimlet25id]

This looks like the same angle of the play but clearly shows the ball in the air before the LED lights come on. Take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkbjxUR1DE

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

This looks like the same angle of the play but clearly shows the ball in the air before the LED lights come on. Take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkbjxUR1DE

Thanks for the youtube link, it's the first I've actually been able to see the play.

It's about as close as close can get - my impression of the video is that the shot probably was off in time, but no way to tell for sure due to the quality of video.

Those are outstanding officials that got that game (biggest class boys championship gets the "highest rated" around here), and I'm sure they made the call based on all the evidence they had.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Thanks for the youtube link, it's the first I've actually been able to see the play.

It's about as close as close can get - my impression of the video is that the shot probably was off in time, but no way to tell for sure due to the quality of video.

Those are outstanding officials that got that game (biggest class boys championship gets the "highest rated" around here), and I'm sure they made the call based on all the evidence they had.

Its amazing to me how easy it is to call a play like this from the comfort of my lounge chair with the ability to stop/play, stop/play. You most definitely cannot fault the officials for a play that is this close without the ability to go to a courtside monitor for either ruling it go or not, IMO.

If you look @ the Youtube video and pause it @ the 38 second mark, then play/pause all the way up until the shot is released you can see the ball in the air while the LED lights are not on around the backboard.

Again this is with us slowing a real time play down & watching it over and over again to see. IMO, this would be next to impossible to know for sure if it was good or not. I'm not saying they guessed, I'm just saying that as close as the play was it could've went either way.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Wow, incredible finish! From what I could see looks like a good, tough call. Agree, hard to tell though if the ball is out of the "shooter/thrower's" hand when the light goes on and horn sounds.

When it's tourney time, only one team wins the last game!

At first look, I thought he got it off. After 10 more looks I didn't change my mind. I've always been instructed that if you're not sure, you gotta count it. It looked to me like nobody was sure and they guessed. And if you're not sure, why not reward the great play so you can have a great story?

[Adam]

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

I'm sure a member of the Irish Defense League will come by soon enough to arrange for your re-education sessions.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

Here, here.

[lpbreeze]

I wish they would make some sort of tv/video exception of the big games like State playoffs. Not for the regular season though. I'm not sure if the equipment was there for that game. The video could have been shot by a fan so that would not be allowed. Instead the refs are put in a very tough place and are forced to decide a victor. Sorry, but I don't buy that refs don't decide the game argument. They did in this case and it looks like they got it wrong although I can't fault them for it because it was such a difficult call. If they could have reviewed it perhaps they would have overturned it. Only reviews for a few types of plays.

---FoxSpots here in California were showing the high school state games on tv and they had highlights. It was obvious on a play the ball did not cross the line for a touchdown. They did it in slow motion. If there is access then why not use it in a very limited fashion?

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

At first look, I thought he got it off. After 10 more looks I didn't change my mind. I've always been instructed that if you're not sure, you gotta count it. It looked to me like nobody was sure and they guessed. And if you're not sure, why not reward the great play so you can have a great story?

I didn't see any footage of the referees making the call.
Or, is the assumption that, because they were caucusing, that they did not have a definitive 'no shot' amongst'em?

Surely, with 1.7 on the clock, they were prepared.

[tmp44]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

I didn't see any footage of the referees making the call.
Or, is the assumption that, because they were caucusing, that they did not have a definitive 'no shot' amongst'em?

Surely, with 1.7 on the clock, they were prepared.

If you look at the OP video, at the 40-36 second mark (the replay), you can see what appears to be the opposite side official at the bottom of the screen waiving off the basket.