SC 4A Final - you make the call

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by JoeTheRef

Was there a previous thread on this? I couldn't see the video as well. Can somebody post the sitch?

rumperee has it right...state championship game, Summerville up 2 misses a FT with 1.7 seconds left, ball is rebounded in lane, bit of action there, outlet, and then a 3/4-court shot goes. Officials get together to confer before waiving it off.

Quite a bit of controversy, and losing coach was fairly unsportsmanlike about it at the post-game ceremony, taking the runner-up trophy and slamming it down on the scorer's table then leaving with his team.

Pretty interesting, to say the least!

[Gmoore]

Looks to me the officials made the correct call,If you watch the backboard behind the player you will see it turn red before he let the shot go.

[grunewar]

Wow, incredible finish! From what I could see looks like a good, tough call. Agree, hard to tell though if the ball is out of the "shooter/thrower's" hand when the light goes on and horn sounds.

When it's tourney time, only one team wins the last game!

[jdw3018]

I'd also add, just from what I've been told, that many in attendance think there was a difference between the light on the board and the horn. No idea if that's fan-boy talk, but it's what I heard the day after from some officials around here.

Needless to say, that's a tough, tough call and an amazing ending to the ball game. Lots of good state final games here in SC this year.

[Gimlet25id]

I have to agree!! That is a tough, tough play to get right. From the camera angle it does, "kinda," seem like the LED lights are on while the ball is in the shooters hand, maybe.

The horn almost sounds like it came after the shot. Who knows with the quality of the video feed. Since light travels faster then sound I could see where some would think they weren't synced.

[Gimlet25id]

This looks like the same angle of the play but clearly shows the ball in the air before the LED lights come on. Take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkbjxUR1DE

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

This looks like the same angle of the play but clearly shows the ball in the air before the LED lights come on. Take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwkbjxUR1DE

Thanks for the youtube link, it's the first I've actually been able to see the play.

It's about as close as close can get - my impression of the video is that the shot probably was off in time, but no way to tell for sure due to the quality of video.

Those are outstanding officials that got that game (biggest class boys championship gets the "highest rated" around here), and I'm sure they made the call based on all the evidence they had.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Wow, incredible finish! From what I could see looks like a good, tough call. Agree, hard to tell though if the ball is out of the "shooter/thrower's" hand when the light goes on and horn sounds.

When it's tourney time, only one team wins the last game!

At first look, I thought he got it off. After 10 more looks I didn't change my mind. I've always been instructed that if you're not sure, you gotta count it. It looked to me like nobody was sure and they guessed. And if you're not sure, why not reward the great play so you can have a great story?

[Adam]

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

I'm sure a member of the Irish Defense League will come by soon enough to arrange for your re-education sessions.

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Maybe we can generate 15 pages hounding these officials, making assumptions (ie "they guessed"), and second guessing these guys, who got assigned a state final game, on a play they had to decide on the spot without benefit of instant replay repeated over and over again in slow motion.

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Well, sure, why not? Sounds like more fun than calling each other misogynists, fanboys, Donaghys, bus-runners, etc. Let's gang up on a couple of random refs who aren't here to defend themselves. Yup, yup, yup.

Here, here.

[ca_rumperee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

At first look, I thought he got it off. After 10 more looks I didn't change my mind. I've always been instructed that if you're not sure, you gotta count it. It looked to me like nobody was sure and they guessed. And if you're not sure, why not reward the great play so you can have a great story?

I didn't see any footage of the referees making the call.
Or, is the assumption that, because they were caucusing, that they did not have a definitive 'no shot' amongst'em?

Surely, with 1.7 on the clock, they were prepared.

[tmp44]

Originally Posted by ca_rumperee

I didn't see any footage of the referees making the call.
Or, is the assumption that, because they were caucusing, that they did not have a definitive 'no shot' amongst'em?

Surely, with 1.7 on the clock, they were prepared.

If you look at the OP video, at the 40-36 second mark (the replay), you can see what appears to be the opposite side official at the bottom of the screen waiving off the basket.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by socalreff

. I've always been instructed that if you're not sure, you gotta count it. It looked to me like nobody was sure and they guessed. And if you're not sure, why not reward the great play so you can have a great story?

Why pick one side over another? That makes zero sense to me.

You do what these guys did. Get as much collective input as possible and then make the call based on that input. Without being able to go to the monitor, that's about the best you can do. Somehow though imo, I think that the input should never include something like "We just gotta count it because that that was a great shot and we'll have a great story."