NBA blarge

[IREFU2]

Its good to know that the Professionals have blarges as well!!!! All year, I have been working on no prelims...and it has kept me out of trouble several times.

[caliref]

I wish they would just get rid of that arc because the NBA referees should be good enough to call it correctly without the line there.

Also, I think the line is a defensive disadvantage because it is like having a virtual screen set if you want to get a legal guarding position.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Completely agree.

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The same should happen in our Fed games if a player taking a charge was standing on the OOB line and two conflicting signals happen. If one officials shares with the other that B was OOB, then by rule you have a block. Now, if the PC official's judgment remains that B was IB, then I think you have to go with the DF.

This is an old topic that I hesitate to raise...but....not necessarily. B1 only gives up LGP by being OOB. They don't get automatically pegged with a foul. If they were moving, jumping, etc., they get the foul. If they were there in a manner where LGP was not a factor, they don't necessarily get the foul. The rule ONLY says that a player can't have LGP while OOB...nothing more.

All the case plays addressing the issue make one important implication...that the defender was acvtively guarding the opponent. And by actively guarding, I mean moving in an attempt to maintain position but stepping OOB in the process. The defender gets the foul because the were OOB since the actions they were engaged in required LGP to be legal.

Much like a player stationary in the lane with their back to a dribble/drive who doesn't have LGP, the player who is OOB can still be fouled in the right circumstances; the offensive player can commit a foul that is not a charge, but a push, hold, illegal use of hands, etc. None of those are impacted by LGP and, as a result, have no dependancy on being inbounds or OOB.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by caliref

I wish they would just get rid of that arc because the NBA referees should be good enough to call it correctly without the line there.

Also, I think the line is a defensive disadvantage because it is like having a virtual screen set if you want to get a legal guarding position.

This is the reason that the restricted area was implemented! The NBA wanted more drives to the basket. The secondary defender would jump over and take away those drives to the basket.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by caliref

I wish they would just get rid of that arc because the NBA referees should be good enough to call it correctly without the line there.

Also, I think the line is a defensive disadvantage because it is like having a virtual screen set if you want to get a legal guarding position.

The arc has nothing at all to do with the ability of the referees. The referees are good enough to call it correctly whether the arc is there or not.

As All Heart mentioned, the purpose of the arc is to prevent "cheap" charges being picked up by secondary defenders. The NBA philosophy is that if you are that close to the basket, you're not really playing defense; you're only there to try and draw a charge. They don't mind having offensive fouls, but they don't want people taking a position with the sole purpose of drawing the offensive foul.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

They don't mind having offensive fouls, but they don't want people taking a position with the sole purpose of drawing the offensive foul.

Yup, that would be called "playing help defense". And "help defense" is frowned on in the NBA because it would cut down scoring. And besides cutting down scoring, you wouldn't see all of those awesome dunks from players who otherwise usually can't dribble, pass or shoot a 15 footer. And you also wouldn't get to see those players who just made that awesome dunk pound his chest, point at the defender he dunked on, dance, and perform all of those other little post-dunk acts that we've grown to know and love....all while the other team is going 5 on 4 the other way.

The NBA......fantaaaaastic......

[ace]

The NBA rules have made it to the stands of high school gyms all around us. I was working my last game of the season two weeks ago, when we had a charge about where the semi-cirlce would be on a NBA court.

Same fan, in the same seat, every year I've been there, yells out "How is that a charge, he was too far under the basket?!"

We have a load of subs coming in and he asks
"Isn't therea rule about that?"
"only in the NBA" i say.
he replies "kind of like traveling isn't in there rule book but its in the HS one?"
"yeah, kind of like that." I smile and we go on.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

You know what? That's right. I forgot about that. I think there's a ruling about a difference of opinion NOT involving the Restricted Area. I had forgotten about that. Excellent point.

Yeah in block/charge plays that don't involve the RA it is a double foul and resume from the POI.

Jurassic,

There is help defense. All our RA plays involve secondary defenders. Primary defenders don't have to be outside the RA to take a charge. We just don't want guys running in there and undercuting guys like they do in college. Its a safety thing and an opening up the lane thing like you said. What's wrong with opening up the lane for more scoring? What would you rather watch and referee, a game in the 50s or in the 90s?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

1) All our RA plays involve secondary defenders. Primary defenders don't have to be outside the RA to take a charge. We just don't want guys running in there and undercuting guys like they do in college.

2) What would you rather watch and referee, a game in the 50s or in the 90s?

1) Our? We? Did you skip high school ball before you got a chance to do a varsity game and move straight into the NBA? If so, congratulations.

2) I'd rather watch any game at any level from any time period than the current doo-doo that they're playing (supposedly) in to-day's NBA. The NBA is unwatchable imo.

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Our? We? Did you skip high school ball before you got a chance to do avarsity game and move right into the NBA? If so, congratulations.

2) I'd rather watch any game at any level from any time period than the current doo-doo that they're playing (supposedly) in to-day's NBA. The NBA is unwatchable.

But the pay is out of this world, not to meantion the respect!!!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

1) Our? We? Did you skip high school ball before you got a chance to do a varsity game and move straight into the NBA? If so, congratulations.

Quite possible that he works somewhere that utilizes the same rules.

[caliref]

I love help side defense. Nothing is better than seeing a defensive player stop somebody from going into the lane for an easy layup by getting pounded by the guy driving to the basket and then seeing the ref wave off the basket and point the other way.

Back in the day when I was playing HS ball, I took a charge and prevented this guy from dunking and he was so pissed he wanted to fight me and he got ejected.