Does it have to be a foul?

[just another ref]

Watching Duke/WF and saw several collisions where one or both hit the floor with no whistle of any kind. If it's good enough for them......

[Kelvin green]

There is a difference between high school age kids and Duke/WF...Size, speed, agility etc.

I disagree that if it is good for them then we should ignore it at high school level

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Kelvin green

There is a difference between high school age kids and Duke/WF...Size, speed, agility etc.

I disagree that if it is good for them then we should ignore it at high school level

Iow, we should completely ignore NFHS rule 4-27-2?--"Contact which occurs unintentionally in an effort by an opponent to reach a loose ball, or contact which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe."

That concept has been in place forever. Illegal contact is a foul; incidental contact isn't a foul;, even if the incidental contact is a train-wreck. Just because 2 players went down does not mean that a call must be made.

Some clinicians teach that you should always have a call IF the train-wreck includes a dribbler. Personally, I don't agree with the "always" part of that either.

I don't think that you and Rich are really saying that you have to have a call on all train-wrecks, but on the very small chance that you are, I disagree.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Iow, we should completely ignore NFHS rule 4-27-2?--"Contact which occurs unintentionally in an effort by an opponent to reach a loose ball, or contact which may result when opponents are in equally favorable positions to perform normal defensive or offensive movements, should not be considered illegal, even though the contact may be severe."

That concept has been in place forever. Illegal contact is a foul; incidental contact isn't a foul;, even if the incidental contact is a train-wreck. Just because 2 players went down does not mean that a call must be made.

Some clinicians teach that you should always have a call IF the train-wreck includes a dribbler. Personally, I don't agree with the "always" part of that either.

I don't think that you and Rich are really saying that you have to have a call on all train-wrecks, but on the very small chance that you are, I disagree.

Not disagreeing with your main point, but...

Can you give me a scenario where there is a train wreck, involving the dribbler, where the contact is incidental? It's late and I'm not coming up with one.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Not disagreeing with your main point, but...

Can you give me a scenario where there is a train wreck, involving the dribbler, where the contact is incidental? It's late and I'm not coming up with one.

Dribbler is pinned on the sideline but realizes it too late. Tries to stop/reverse direction, but it is too late. Crashes into the defender a split second before the ball goes out of bounds. Kinda like........the OP.